tj3006
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Post by tj3006 on Dec 20, 2020 15:44:00 GMT -5
It is a very good gun,
I just put 125 rounds through it.
It shoots very well. I was shooting in the rain, at cans and wood blocks and such. I need to Rest it so i can adjust the sights to a particular load. But For a very informal get acquainted with the gun shoot, I was very happy, Cans Jumping all over, The gun was shooting high with most of the loads i had, but i accounted for that in my aim point,
I did have some light primer strikes, All after about 80 rounds, and only about 4 of them. I cleaned up the hammer mounted firing pin and put a little lube in the hole.
If the problem persists i assume it is pretty easy to replace the pin ?
I like the load of 14 grains of 296 over a 158 grain Cast SWC. 14.5 shoots good to , but 14 seems a little bit better for the K frame.
I will put some more together, And Shoot it rested on paper. Clearly with the sights properly adjusted , I will hit more. But the old girl is accurate...tj
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 20, 2020 17:49:09 GMT -5
It is a very good gun, I just put 125 rounds through it. It shoots very well. I was shooting in the rain, at cans and wood blocks and such. I need to Rest it so i can adjust the sights to a particular load. But For a very informal get acquainted with the gun shoot, I was very happy, Cans Jumping all over, The gun was shooting high with most of the loads i had, but i accounted for that in my aim point, I did have some light primer strikes, All after about 80 rounds, and only about 4 of them. I cleaned up the hammer mounted firing pin and put a little lube in the hole. If the problem persists i assume it is pretty easy to replace the pin ? I like the load of 14 grains of 296 over a 158 grain Cast SWC. 14.5 shoots good to , but 14 seems a little bit better for the K frame. I will put some more together, And Shoot it rested on paper. Clearly with the sights properly adjusted , I will hit more. But the old girl is accurate...tj ***** Don’t over-think the LIGHT INDENT. Assume you’re shooting double action. my suspicion is the STRAIN SCREW is backed out (mainspring tension screw @ toe of front strap). Is so, give it 1/2-turn clockwise. Primers differ interns of cup, with Federal 100 the most sensitive. Remington, Winchester, CCI has stiffer cups. David Bradshaw |
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Post by tj3006 on Dec 20, 2020 18:20:20 GMT -5
1/2 turn Clockwise ! I will do it ! How the light strikes were in single action. But the Pull is very light, So a little adjustment is in order anyway. I Have lots of CCI small Magnum Primers. My stock of federal small pistol primers are not magnum. It was plain to look at the primers the dent was light...tj
Thanks for the info !
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Post by wgg on Dec 20, 2020 20:51:27 GMT -5
I picked up a 2 1/2" nickeled 19-5 recently that shot fine single action. I went to qualify and had several fail to fire double action. I checked the strain screw and it had been backed off. I tightened the strain screw and all the rounds fired doubled action. I will put more rounds through it before I carry it.
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Post by tj3006 on Dec 20, 2020 21:28:12 GMT -5
My Strain Screw was all the way in. I could not get any turn at all, it looks like perhaps, somebody filed the screw a little ? I just ordered a new one it Less then 10 bucks shipped from numrich.! ...tj
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 21, 2020 8:33:44 GMT -5
I picked up a 2 1/2" nickeled 19-5 recently that shot fine single action. I went to qualify and had several fail to fire double action. I checked the strain screw and it had been backed off. I tightened the strain screw and all the rounds fired doubled action. I will put more rounds through it before I carry it. ***** wgg.... as trigger-cocking (DA) produces shorter HAMMER FALL than hammer-cocking (SA), primer strike is lighter. S&W used to offer a LIGHT REBOUND SLIDE SPRING. It’s o.k. to trim a coil off the standard rebound spring----providing the rebound spring is long enough to insure RESET. A spring must the length to reset the trigger against tangential finger pressure. I have trimmed S&W factory rebound springs which seemed abnormally long. But I always set rebound for reliability. Which means my K-frame and N-frame Smiths work fine double action @ 25 below ZERO. If all the “tuning” is done at the STRAIN SCREW, reliability will not equal a balance approach. I have never used aftermarket springs in a Smith & Wesson. Never saw a need, and I trust the old drop forged S&W mainspring more than an other leaf spring put in a revolver. And that old S&W spring is equal to the best coil. Thus, my practice to adjust strain screw with a screwdriver, not make permanent with a file. I understand the armorer’s more doctrinaire position. David Bradshaw |
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Post by rjm52 on Dec 22, 2020 4:39:27 GMT -5
If your gun is getting light strikes Single-Action it may need some headspace/endshake adjustment. In 50 years of shooting S&W revolvers I can not think of ever having a misfire with any centerfire or rimfire when shooting single-action no matter what primer/ammo I was using.
If you are getting some light strikes SA you will be getting a LOT DA as the hammer throw is only about 80% of SA.
Bob
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Post by JM on Dec 22, 2020 10:15:22 GMT -5
Do the .357 length cartridges easily seat fully into each cylinder bore?
Check to see if the bores have residue build up from 38 Special length cartridges. A somewhat light hammer strike plus a cartridge that isn't fully seated would cause failure to ignite.
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Post by tj3006 on Dec 22, 2020 22:06:03 GMT -5
The rounds seat fine, I don't think it had any light strikes in double action, only in single. You could see the light dents in the primers. Most went off on a 2nd primer strike. And all fired eventually ...tj
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 22, 2020 22:20:34 GMT -5
The rounds seat fine, I don't think it had any light strikes in double action, only in single. You could see the light dents in the primers. Most went off on a 2nd primer strike. And all fired eventually ...tj ***** tj3006.... thanks for showing all your cards! Normal ignition double action, with LIGHT INDENT in single action almost certainly indicates fugitive trigger work on SA engagement. Don’t know about contemporary S&W production, but all the old school guns have drop forged carbon steel hammers & triggers, which have been CASE HARDENED. Including stainless, which hammers & triggers are flash chromed to look like stainless. If the parts are old school, I’d replace ‘em. David Bradshaw |
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Post by tj3006 on Dec 22, 2020 23:13:50 GMT -5
Thanks David
I appreciate hearing your opinion. You defiantly fit my Idea of an expert. I think I will shoot it again. I got a fair amount of crud out of slot the firing pin sits in. And I was 70 or 80 rounds into the shoot before it failed. But if I have further troubles I will ask you who I should send it to. Thanks again.
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 23, 2020 10:47:46 GMT -5
The rounds seat fine, I don't think it had any light strikes in double action, only in single. You could see the light dents in the primers. Most went off on a 2nd primer strike. And all fired eventually ...tj ***** tj3006.... thanks for showing all your cards! Normal ignition double action, with LIGHT INDENT in single action almost certainly indicates fugitive trigger work on SA engagement. Don’t know about contemporary S&W production, but all the old school guns have drop forged carbon steel hammers & triggers, which have been CASE HARDENED. Including stainless, which hammers & triggers are flash chromed to look like stainless. If the parts are old school, I’d replace ‘em. David Bradshaw ***** tj.... a tremendous amount of mythology surrounds the Model 19. To say a revolver its dirty lights up a library of possibilities. Crud around the HAMMER NOSE firing pin sounds exterior, not from shooting. Under the heading of MISFIRE, there is no sensible way for double action hammer fall to equal the longer throw of single action hammer fall. Thus, the FUGITIVE TRIGGER JOB. Smith & Wesson’s Al Plaas performed brilliantly on my S&W’s. Suspect Plaas has been singing in the Feathered Choir for some time; otherwise, he lives well into his second century. I would trust S&W work to Jack Huntington. I would not trust it to someone I know nothing about. Wouldn’t be surprised if Jim Stroh has the capability, but Maestro Jim retired his gunsmithing. Frank Glenn is another name that rings solid; he, too, may have taken down his shingle. From what I’ve seen of factory mechanics, skill ranges by experience & talent. And I say TALENT because there exist in this world people doing jobs they are unfit for. Brilliance is not luck. David Bradshaw |
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Post by tj3006 on Dec 23, 2020 22:51:01 GMT -5
David You are preaching to the Choir on talent !
When it comes to gunsmithing, A friend of mine has a shop not to far from here. He can tear a Mauser 98 bolt down about as easy as tying my shoe.
(that is talent and experience.) After watching him , I tried to do it. Got the palm of my hand pinched in the Cocking piece. Gained an instant appreciation of the tight Tolerances At the FN plant. It hurt like hell and I was bleeding like hell too. It was not much fun getting my hand out of there, but a big relief when I did.
There are gunsmith's and there are truck driver's. I am the later ! ...tj
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 24, 2020 9:42:37 GMT -5
On experience and talent..... "There are gunsmith's and there are truck driver’s.”
----tj
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TJ.... to this metaphor I take exception. Plenty of situations where a good truck driver is golden.
David Bradshaw
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Post by tj3006 on Dec 26, 2020 22:00:36 GMT -5
Oh David !
I take a fair amount of pride in my trade,
My point was I would make a lousy Gunsmith ! I have no talent for it. I can change the trigger return spring on a nem model, and a few other things, if I have a You tube step by step video.
But I would not take the side plate off my model-19. would not understand what the parts do. Maybe a few of them but not enough to accomplish anything. I play guitar pretty well though...
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