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Post by squawberryman on Dec 19, 2020 5:30:16 GMT -5
I called David yesterday to thank him for the two guns I just got back. He told me years ago he did some action work on a first generation 45 Bisley Hunter for a guy. He called to tell him it was a one inch gun at 100 with the factory scope mounts. After having it a while it opened up to four or five inches. He sent the gun back to David and what he found was that the barrel was pivoting at the frame just ever so slightly, even though it had been torqued properly. He could not say that it was because of the factory scope ring placement. The face of the cylinder frame was beat to hell, even though we're only talking thousandths. The new Ruger Bisleys have a finer thread pitch he told me. He also told me he red Loctited my barrel and I assured him I would not be trying to take it off. He didn't bash the factory scope ring setup, but did say he wouldn't chance it. Oh well, gotta get a Weigand.
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 19, 2020 6:07:20 GMT -5
I've posted before and will again, Dave Clements knows his stuff. I honestly could talk to the man for days.
Soft spoken, but full of information on revolvers.
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Post by squawberryman on Dec 19, 2020 6:31:02 GMT -5
Now that I'm awake, I asked him about hanging up his shingle. Caliber and barrel conversions are a thing of the past. The machines for hammers and triggers are gone. The last ten old army's are being completed. Accuracy work and gussying are going to be the norm. People like encore will probably always have any "in" but for the most part the big works are done. He said he's worked seven days a week for 25 years.
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Post by bushog on Dec 19, 2020 8:25:34 GMT -5
Now that I'm awake, I asked him about hanging up his shingle. Caliber and barrel conversions are a thing of the past. The machines for hammers and triggers are gone. The last ten old army's are being completed. Accuracy work and gussying are going to be the norm. People like encore will probably always have any "in" but for the most part the big works are done. He said he's worked seven days a week for 25 years. Yup.... He had told me the jigs for the hammers and triggers were just plumb worn out. He's a good egg and his work is soooo nice! |
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 19, 2020 8:39:48 GMT -5
I don't think my scope of allowed work will be any wider than other customers.
He's given me the same information others have posted.
Think he may make a batch of certain things here and there. We can only hope and keep a few base guns handy. Hopefully my finances will allow me to get in when he does. Never even considered a 41 Special until I was offered a Clements 41 Special. I'd probably do the same in any caliber he's building.
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Post by cas on Dec 19, 2020 13:07:08 GMT -5
I'd be happy to have him around just for "regular things".
He's made fiber optic front sights for me for three guns.
I've had him shorten a Marlin lever action and machine a 1911 slide for Novak sights.
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Post by squawberryman on Dec 19, 2020 17:03:11 GMT -5
Well he doesn't want to put the NOS Redfield mount on this as he's afraid (rightfully so from experience I suppose) the frame would break a tap being so hard. Now what? The factory rings? I do like the way they do not pull the scope back to obstruct the hammer. Ronnie?
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 19, 2020 17:10:56 GMT -5
Well he doesn't want to put the NOS Redfield mount on this as he's afraid (rightfully so from experience I suppose) the frame would break a tap being so hard. Now what? The factory rings? I do like the way they do not pull the scope back to obstruct the hammer. Ronnie? He did Drill and Tap my 38-40 and 44-40s he built. But, told me those were the last two. I won't ask again. |
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 19, 2020 18:54:03 GMT -5
Well he doesn't want to put the NOS Redfield mount on this as he's afraid (rightfully so from experience I suppose) the frame would break a tap being so hard. Now what? The factory rings? I do like the way they do not pull the scope back to obstruct the hammer. Ronnie? ***** Greg.... fetch down to the hardware store for some 10-32 INSDE TEETH LOCK WASHERS. Get extra as the teeth flatten in one or two tightenings. Put one each under the Ruger nut. Even so, a dab of fingernail polish doesn’t hurt. There’s a lot of vibration going on in a revolver loaded for power. * Set ring forward in barrel dovetail and lightly snug. * Set scope in rings and tighten. * Finish tightening Ruger rings to barrel dovetails. David Bradshaw |
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 19, 2020 19:03:52 GMT -5
I believe the problem with the Hunter Models with scope mounting is the torque on the barrel.
The extra weight fastened to the barrel only actually makes the barrel turn the threads in the frame with recoil.
I've known of people using JB Weld on the threads to help prevent this. I did a Hunter Model 45 Colt too. But, don't plan on scoping it.
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Post by bushog on Dec 19, 2020 19:26:05 GMT -5
Well he doesn't want to put the NOS Redfield mount on this as he's afraid (rightfully so from experience I suppose) the frame would break a tap being so hard. Now what? The factory rings? I do like the way they do not pull the scope back to obstruct the hammer. Ronnie? He did Drill and Tap my 38-40 and 44-40s he built. But, told me those were the last two. I won't ask again. Smart man. |
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Post by squawberryman on Dec 20, 2020 6:08:27 GMT -5
Thanks David
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Post by messybear on Dec 23, 2020 9:00:34 GMT -5
So these are guns that the barrels are coming loose on?
Is that what you mean by pivoting?
And if so it’s caused by the scope weight?
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Post by squawberryman on Dec 23, 2020 14:36:31 GMT -5
Messybear, yes. The issue with the first run was that the barrel was being unscrewed under fire. The weight of the scope solely supported by the barrel created a mass that was slow to move with the recoil of the gun in a counterclockwise rotation as viewed from the rear. Up and to the left they go when they go boom. If you look at the front in your mind, that's a big torque wrench on the barrel which is right handed thread. David believes Ruger changed the pitch in order to combat this. I have zero first hand knowledge of any of this, it just makes sense in my head. Except for the thread pitch solving the problem part. I DO KNOW David red loctited my barrel.
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Post by rleprechaun on Dec 23, 2020 18:09:05 GMT -5
About 25 years ago David Clements did a 5shot conversion on my Ruger Bisley. I sent it to SSK and had a scope base installed. Then I got 3 Burris Z rings and mounted a 2X scope. I have fired thousands of 335 gr bullets at 1440 fps. Nothing has moved. It has maintained point of Impact since sighting in 25 years ago!
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