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Post by edk on Nov 20, 2020 19:27:24 GMT -5
It appears we torture ourselves with 45 Colts. It's sad when undersized throats is a good thing isn't it! Maybe I'm just jaded, but I consider a new gun a canvas waiting to be painted. Some of the guns/problems already posted can't be painted. I bite my tongue rather than debate when folks whine about having to ream undersized throats and claim "why has (insert manufacturer X) ALWAYS produced undersized 45 throats"? I guess that just serves to date how long they've really been revolver fans!
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Post by jeffh on Nov 20, 2020 20:00:23 GMT -5
.....but I consider a new gun a canvas waiting to be painted.............. I'd be on board with that if that "canvas" didn't cost as much as a master-piece!.
Even that last Charter was looking like a pretty significant "investment."
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Post by squawberryman on Nov 20, 2020 20:23:06 GMT -5
Not a revolver but the S&W Sigma. Had my hopes up for that one when I didn't like Glocks.
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Post by dhd on Nov 21, 2020 4:51:23 GMT -5
.....but I consider a new gun a canvas waiting to be painted.............. I'd be on board with that if that "canvas" didn't cost as much as a master-piece!.
Even that last Charter was looking like a pretty significant "investment."
I understand completely. It wasn't too many years back where all my money was spent on custom rifles. I just had to have some Ruger BH's and my excess spending money hasn't been the same since. I've been careful or lucky with my RBH's where what I've bought needed to be "opened up" not closed down. One big reason I never looked too hard at a S&W 25 or a Colt SAA in 45 Colt. I've seen S&W 24/624 mentioned twice already. I was under the impression the 44's were usually decent in measurements. I do have a Lew Horton 624 3" RB stashed in the safe that hasn't been fired in close to 25 years. When it was purchased I didn't concern myself with those pesky measurements (didn't know anyway). Might do some measuring, but probably not.
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Post by matt56 on Nov 21, 2020 8:23:06 GMT -5
A few that I didn’t get along with were....
S&W 29-3 six inch. Nice gun but for some reason I shot it way to the left and the cylinder counter rotated with regular 44 mag loads. Also I could feel the trigger kicking my finger back as I fired it. Nice collectible gun but just had to go.
S&W 34-1 four inch. I just couldn’t shoot this gun well because of the small grip size. I wanted it for a “tackle box” gun but I wound up with a 30-1 that will do about the same thing so I dumped it. Also one chamber was sticky and would bulge the 22 shell.
686 no dash four inch. Back when I thought all older was better I thought the no dash the was the pinnacle of 686s. Except the cylinder was out of line with the bore. On every hole a range rod would tick the chamber and a match rod would not pass the thread choke. This was the only 686 out of about 5 I have that had any issues at all. The dash 3s and 4s I have are perfect.
If you didn’t know it all the guns that were disappointing are from the early 80s. Keep that in mind when purchasing used S&W.
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Post by enfield on Nov 21, 2020 8:39:25 GMT -5
Ruger 77/44, minute of paper plate at 100yds with every ammo I've tried. I bought it to use as a close range, suppressed deer gun, so it will still work.
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Post by cable on Nov 22, 2020 0:18:12 GMT -5
colt diamondback 22 4 “ , very expensive for a medical students budget — beautiful with exquisitely smooth action, great trigger , mediocre accuracy at best . kept telling myself i just hadn’t found the right ammo. picked up a little charter arms pathfinder 3” - extremely accurate, shot rings around the diamondback with any ammo!
goodbye diamondback ! ( wish i had kept it just as an investment )
still like colts ,... and smiths... and many others , but that pricey fancy diamondback was a bad disappointment
still have the pathfinder , of course!
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Post by tj3006 on Nov 22, 2020 8:25:41 GMT -5
I had a few Diamondbacks, I liked them. A guy i worked with had a snub nose 22 Diamondback. That's one i would trade for something really nice, a snub nose 22 with target sights seems useless to me.
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Post by oddshooter on Nov 22, 2020 10:17:20 GMT -5
There really is no telling when a model has a lemon. Something about the orchestra not playing together.
I read a lot of folks on here who are happy with their SP101. Mine was horrible.
And my Diamondbacks are some of my absolute favorites.
Back during my youth in Texas, we said "The proofs in the pudding". You have to taste it to find out. I'm guessing that's the only answer for a new pistola as well.
Prescut
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Post by seancass on Nov 22, 2020 11:02:10 GMT -5
Funny, the first gun that came to mind was a sp101, 22lr, 4" model. Horrible trigger.
Come to think of it, I now have a S&W 22 jframe. It has a regular, heavy trigger.
I keep buying these little 22's thinking "that'll be perfect for a small new shooter!" But it's not perfect when they can't pull the trigger!
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Post by tj3006 on Nov 22, 2020 13:06:59 GMT -5
That seems to be my Issue with the J-frames and the SP-101s too. However the Little colt Cobra, (the new ones I mean) Might make a great little 22. The Actions are quite nice. If they were to put a Rib On it they could call it a diamondback !
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Post by kings6 on Nov 22, 2020 13:46:43 GMT -5
The gun was not a lemon, far from it, but it did NOT get along with my shooting hand and that is the Redhawk in 41 mag. The grip frame shape just pulverized my thumb due to a break I suffered playing football years ago. Probably why there is only one DA revolver in the safe.
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Post by tullymars on Nov 22, 2020 14:26:14 GMT -5
After seeing the groups that some of you guys shoot with your guns, I’m disappointed with every gun I’ve ever owned.
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Post by jeffh on Nov 22, 2020 15:49:32 GMT -5
There really is no telling when a model has a lemon. Something about the orchestra not playing together. I read a lot of folks on here who are happy with their SP101. Mine was horrible. And my Diamondbacks are some of my absolute favorites. Back during my youth in Texas, we said "The proofs in the pudding". You have to taste it to find out. I'm guessing that's the only answer for a new pistola as well. Prescut That's funny. This sort of goes with the "canvas" idea, at least for me, and with Rugers in particular.
My SP101 shot great!
After I bought a spring kit, dug the burrs out of the action, smoothed it up, had the throats reamed and worked out a thread constriction at the frame. I didn't think to mention that one because I've come to Rugers, I guess I assume it comes as an incomplete "kit." I've owned and loved many off them, but it seems all of them except the various Super Blackhawks I had came out of the gate on three legs and two of those were bad.
Same for one of he first 44 Special Flat Tops that hit the market in '09. I picked up two and put one away as a "spare." The one I shot was awful - typical low front sight, shot two lovely little groups a few inches apart and the cylinder and forcing cone leaded terribly. Coupla holes in the cylinder were badly out of synch with the rest. Ruger made good on all but the front sight. Still have to fix that.
By the time I've gotten most of my Rugers running, I've had about MSRP (or more) in them, so that's why I'm put off by their current pricing. If I bought a Blackhawk or Vaquero (or SP101) today, it would have to be for around $400 to be "worth it" because I know what I'm going to have to put into it. Not bashing Ruger - I love them, but I'm not paying today's prices (like I did for the 77/357) only to have to put half that again into it in parts and labor.
Used to think it odd that I could buy a Charter for $150 and have zero problems with it. Never had an issue with one until recently and I paid almost $400 for it. It was fully as "bad" as the SP101 I had, but I'm not sure I can fix this one.
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Post by petep on Nov 23, 2020 5:15:29 GMT -5
I am with you jeffh on this one.My first revolver was a Ruger and though I like Rugers most have been incomplete kit guns.I have one SP101 that after some work is a nice revolver but as bought it was full of problems.Recently I did find a Security Six that apart from bluing problems and a forcing cone that looks like a rusted sewer pipe it shoots great.
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