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Post by lscg on Sept 13, 2020 22:45:30 GMT -5
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Post by squigz on Sept 14, 2020 7:26:16 GMT -5
I don't have any of the newer generations, but I have a 30-06 and a 300 win mag in a Vanguard from the 80's and they shoot lights out. I've been wanting to pick a newer Vanguard up in a 257 Wby Mag and if I ever came across one that I liked locally, I wouldn't hesitate based off the ones that I own now.
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 14, 2020 8:06:05 GMT -5
Squigz’s experience reflects my own in knowing some hard corps mountain pounders who hunt with a Weatherby Vanguard. These guys have a brutish regard for firearms maintenance, yet their walnut stocked Vandguards continue to shoot straight. On the other hand, I tried to sight in two Vanguards with Leupold scopes, using all windage adjustment to no avail. In both cases it turns out scope base holes were incorrect. The diseases of barrel.receiver misalignment and incorrect sight mounting holes afflicts all too many commercials rifles, specifically to include Winchester and Remington, among others. Subsequent to my sight-in caper, word arrived that Weatherby authorized service corrected the rifles I tried to sight in. Recently shot----and tried to shoot----a Tikka .308 Win with excessively tight chamber. Beretta owns SAKO and the Tikka was sent somewhere to be fixed, with a stated lead time of “12 weeks.” Which means the owner may not have it in time for 2020 hunting season.
The Weatherby Vanguard is a cope of the SAKO, originally made Japan to excellent standards. Roy Weatherby finally relented and expanded his offerings to include Winchester and Remington cartridges in an action less expensive than his Mark V. How capitalized on the SAKO/Tikka design.
I’ve not heard of strength problems with these rifles.
David Bradshaw
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Post by needsmostuff on Sept 14, 2020 9:12:38 GMT -5
I have an older 80's Vanguard that I gave up on trying to adjust the trigger on .
Lots of trigger creep but when you adjust it out the safety no longer works ?
Just gave up and it has a crappy trigger so I don't shoot it.
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Post by squigz on Sept 14, 2020 9:32:04 GMT -5
I have an older 80's Vanguard that I gave up on trying to adjust the trigger on . Lots of trigger creep but when you adjust it out the safety no longer works ? Just gave up and it has a crappy trigger so I don't shoot it. There was a recall on the bolts I believe in either the late 90's or early 00's where there was a issue with the safeties. I sent both of my bolts back and they replaced them. You're correct though, the triggers do have a lot of creep on them, once you're past the creep mine break crisply, but getting past that creep is difficult at times. |
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Post by lscg on Sept 17, 2020 23:21:25 GMT -5
Thanks guys!
next time i'm in Cabelas i'll see if i can find one to handle.
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Post by bushog on Sept 18, 2020 7:35:29 GMT -5
I think there are better options...
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 18, 2020 8:09:30 GMT -5
I have an older 80's Vanguard that I gave up on trying to adjust the trigger on . Lots of trigger creep but when you adjust it out the safety no longer works ? Just gave up and it has a crappy trigger so I don't shoot it. ***** Interesting.... a BOX TRIGGER with attached safety either rolls back the COCKING PIECE when engaged (Remington Model 700-type). Or, the safety blocks the SEAR, or TRIGGER, from movement----without pulling the cocking piece rearward. A safety which blocks sear or trigger depends on close fitting, as slack in components prevents fine adjustment. The Remington M-700 incorporates the Mauser principle of locking back the cocking piece. The cocking piece does not rest on the sear as you stalk hill & dale. The cocking piece doesn’t contact the sear until you ease off the safety. If sear engagement has too small a CONTACT PATCH, or the sear or TRIGGER SPRING is too light, or the ENGAGEMENT ANGLES are damaged or wrong, the firing pin may fall as the safety is disengaged. A bolt action set up for hunting must function under fast bolt operation, with sufficient trigger/sear contact to hold when the safety is disengaged or the bolt stroked vigorously. SAKO made an all-milled box trigger capable off sustaining hard bolt throw when adjusted down to clean 1-1/2 pounds. Safety of that SAKO box trigger does not roll back the cocking piece, it blocks the trigger mechanism. To introduce more than one sear to a box trigger may allow for a lighter letoff, but it complicates geometry while adding parts. The simpler triggers are less sensitive to dirt and nature’s gradou. I prize a good OPEN TRIGGER: note the old Mauser 2-stage trigger, which set the pattern for service rifles. Winchester adopted the open trigger design in single-stage for the Model 70. First stage of the Mauser 2-stage is a serious drop-safe. Elimination of the first stage means inertial of the trigger could cause the rifle to fire if dropped on buttplate with safety off. The safety for an open trigger is mounted on the BOLT SLEEVE, again borrowing the Mauser concept of pulling the cocking piece away from the sear. The two positions: 1) cocking piece locked allows bolt operation, and 2) cocking piece locked also locks bolt. A 2-position safety is either/or: safety on/bolt locked; or, safety on/bolt unlocked. Browning had Fabrique Nationale produce its commercial 1898 Mauser with a copy of the Winchester M-70 trigger and a 3-position safety mounted on the receiver. This safety locks the sear, which holds the cocking piece. Safari hunting comes out of English/European tradition, wherein wealthy folk pay someone else to lead them to the game. Not many arrive with the experience of living armed. Thus, the guide acts as a gun-minder as well. Some environs forbid chambering a round before game is sighted. The safety in this instance is an empty chamber. For a whitetail hunter this is a blueprint for going hungry. So a round must be chambered and the safety must work. David Bradshaw |
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Post by lscg on Sept 20, 2020 21:40:57 GMT -5
I think there are better options... True, was thinking about an all around rifle. Something I could use on hogs and whitetail all the way up to bear or moose (if I got the chance that is) kinda thinking 300wm and load up or down as needed. Should probably just save up and get something really nice. |
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Post by warhawk on Sept 30, 2020 8:22:10 GMT -5
The Vanguard is made by Howa, and is a dressed up version of the Howa 1500 rifle. I've owned a couple over the years, nice rifles.
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Post by z1r on Sept 30, 2020 10:15:20 GMT -5
The Vanguard is made by Howa, and is a dressed up version of the Howa 1500 rifle. I've owned a couple over the years, nice rifles. I picked up a very lightly used Vanguard S2 in 6.5 Creed not long ago at a great price. Liked it enough that when Brownells was offering a Howa 1500 barreled action in 6mm Creed for $249 I jumped on it. Despite being made by the same folks, the Vanguard is a little smoother, more dehorned if you will. The two things that stood out to me on their base models are: 1) the Vanguard stock is better, hate the Hogue on the Howa. 2) The Weatherby has a 24" barrel while the Howa comes with a 22" tube. Triggers on these newer rifles are much nicer than the older models. For a truck gun, I think the shorter Howa barrel gets the nod. |
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Post by sportster on Oct 14, 2020 18:33:53 GMT -5
I bought one cheap, just over $200 new two years ago. It is in 243 Win. Vanguard with the synthetic stock.It has a two stage trigger on it. I tried two different manufactures ammo for it, deer hunting. Both shot 5 shot groups under an inch. One was .75 inches at 100 yards with just 100 grain Winchester grey box hunting ammo. I put a 2x7 Burris scope on it and couldn't be happier.
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Post by neb on Oct 15, 2020 20:41:46 GMT -5
Great rifles! I picked up a new Vanguard in 375 H&H and it is fantastic. Stock feels nice even though it may have a good bit of flex. Floor plate doesn't feel rock solid, but it has not failed on me shooting 300 grain loads. The blued finish is kind of thin like Ruger's matte black finish on their Hawkeye. Bolt is smooth and trigger is flawless. The trigger is the second best part of the new Vanguard as long as you like a two stage. Now here is the best part...it shoots lights out with everything I have fed it. First five shots fired in the new barrel were Norma 300 grain and they measured less than an inch at 100 yards. If you are in the market for a work horse rifle at a great price, don't hesitate.
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Post by RDW on Oct 17, 2020 15:56:10 GMT -5
Hey Zane.
I can tell you for a fact that in South Texas, there are a whole pile o Piggies and whitetail that absolutely hate one particular Vanguard in 30 06!
Hate It. Ofcourse they couldnt tell you about it cuz i Ate em. hahaha. Sat behind the pickup seat and beat all to Hell and back with a Tasco Eurosport scope for atleast twenty years, bouncing all over that very same hell that has never failed to deliver. Ugly beat up and never cleaned and still shoots like a charm.
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Post by crazyhorse on Oct 25, 2020 11:37:57 GMT -5
I have found them to be the best rifle for the price that I have tried. I have two in 257 WBY and one in 240 WBY. All are really accurate. I have friends with them in other calibers and they love them. The triggers are usually good also.
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