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Post by elgriego on Jul 31, 2020 13:33:12 GMT -5
The first custom handgun that I ever had built was a 357 B&D built by my local gunsmith Bain & Davis.
I guess as most know, the 357 magnum can be loaded very hot in the M83 and equal 357 maximum performance rather easily. I was wondering about the performance that would be attainable by the 357 B&D or the 357/454 in the M83.
So in the spirit of not re-inventing the wheel, has anybody done either build?
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jul 31, 2020 13:36:37 GMT -5
Lee Martin has a good comparison article on the B&D and 357 max on his website.
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Post by jfs on Jul 31, 2020 13:57:15 GMT -5
Good question... I was getting 1700+fps in my FA`s M-83 in 357 with 180gr Partitions.... Always wondered what a B&D would reach in a M-83....
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Post by tj3006 on Jul 31, 2020 14:12:10 GMT -5
Wouldn't the BnD Have back out problems in a revolver ?
Reeder,s .356 GnR on the .41 mag was developed to solve that problem, i think ?
...tj
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Post by Lee Martin on Jul 31, 2020 14:45:22 GMT -5
Wouldn't the BnD Have back out problems in a revolver ? Reeder,s .356 GnR on the .41 mag was developed to solve that problem, i think ? ...tj Dad and I have done three Bain & Davis conversions and setback hasn't been a problem. We cut very tight chambers though and use sizing dies matched to the finishing reamer. Wiping the cases with alcohol also helps. Gary's design is a step up from the B&D however. Less taper and a sharper shoulder reduces the chance of bind. If I were to do another, I'd straighten the Bain & Davis body and push the shoulder to 40 degrees. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" |
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Post by potatojudge on Jul 31, 2020 15:53:19 GMT -5
Wouldn't the BnD Have back out problems in a revolver ? Reeder,s .356 GnR on the .41 mag was developed to solve that problem, i think ? ...tj Some of the GNR rounds are great rounds that function very well, the problem is I don't know if or that anyone else builds guns in the GNR rounds. So if you want a GNR, it's going to be a Reeder built gun or at least that seems to be the case. I'd prefer something more open source that allows me to pick the gunsmith. |
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Post by elgriego on Jul 31, 2020 16:52:20 GMT -5
Good question... I was getting 1700+fps in my FA`s M-83 in 357 with 180gr Partitions.... Always wondered what a B&D would reach in a M-83.... You've never heard an ihmsa shooter with a FA 83 in 357 Mag complaining about sticky rams. lol. some of the data circulating in ihmsa circles had to be pushing 75k. |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jul 31, 2020 17:35:25 GMT -5
What would be interesting would be a 357 B&D MAXIMUM!!!!
Using a 445 Super mag case for the basis.
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Post by shorty500 on Jul 31, 2020 18:34:10 GMT -5
I considered a variation of what would be a .357-.454 lol Lee helped talk me out of it
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Post by Encore64 on Jul 31, 2020 18:40:07 GMT -5
Keep in mind that Magnum Research is supposed to build 6-Shot BFRs in 357 and 44 Magnum. Might be a good candidate too.
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Post by elgriego on Jul 31, 2020 23:44:56 GMT -5
Keep in mind that Magnum Research is supposed to build 6-Shot BFRs in 357 and 44 Magnum. Might be a good candidate too. Back in the mid-2000s, for some reason, I found quite a few deals on used FA M83 357s so I already have a donor FA M83 357 magnum. Although, the BFR is a fine revolver. |
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Post by bradshaw on Aug 1, 2020 4:55:43 GMT -5
High pressure shortens brass life. Over-pressure in conjunction with regular sizing for a revolver accelerates attrition, and I would expect other headaches from a bottleneck revolver round. The single best way to drive velocity in a revolver is to squeeze the tolerance package. Dick Casull knew this very well. After tolerances are tightened, you pour on the powder. Students of meteoric velocity Roy Weatherby and Dick Casull understood the powder caper.
David Bradshaw
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Post by jfs on Aug 1, 2020 16:57:02 GMT -5
I was always a sucker for bottleneck cartridge in revolvers.. 22 Kay Chuck
22 Jet 356 GRN... The only one listed above without set back was the Kay Chuck with the sharp shoulder... Just could not get the accuracy I wanted.
With a 8 3/8" barrel six shots avg. 1658fps with 35grs V-Max over 8.0grs of 2400. Same bullet with 9.0grs of 2400 avg. 1754fps.... My 356 GRN was on a model 27 and when my handloads reached 23.0grs of H-110 under a 125gr XTP I experienced set back. Average velocity was only 1514fps which did not justify any more time spent... The Jet... forget it....
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Post by dhd on Aug 1, 2020 19:15:36 GMT -5
I understand wanting to push the envelope and doing it safely, but this is hauling the envelope. Not saying an 83 can't handle it because I suspect it'll take it and smile, but this is a 357 caliber rifle in a handgun!
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Post by elgriego on Aug 2, 2020 13:37:28 GMT -5
I was always a sucker for bottleneck cartridge in revolvers.. 22 Kay Chuck
22 Jet 356 GRN... The only one listed above without set back was the Kay Chuck with the sharp shoulder... Just could not get the accuracy I wanted.
With a 8 3/8" barrel six shots avg. 1658fps with 35grs V-Max over 8.0grs of 2400. Same bullet with 9.0grs of 2400 avg. 1754fps.... My 356 GRN was on a model 27 and when my handloads reached 23.0grs of H-110 under a 125gr XTP I experienced set back. Average velocity was only 1514fps which did not justify any more time spent... The Jet... forget it.... A long time ago, I picked up 2 Jets from an old timer from whom I used to buy a lot of NIB 50s, 60s, and 70s Smith & Wessons. One was perfectly NIB and the other was his shooter. I played with the shooter 22 Jet for couple of months and then sold it. Still have the NIB Jet though. The Kay Chuck is a way better experience. |
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