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Post by duckjihad on Jul 23, 2020 16:17:43 GMT -5
Planning a hunt. A buddy has been several times. Told me the birds are NOT recovered from where they drop. Not sure i want to shoot game and leave it but understand they are pest like in Argentina. Im guessing none of the outfitters recover them all. How would they utilize the thousands dropped every day? Any experience or knowledge?
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Post by bula on Jul 24, 2020 6:59:37 GMT -5
I've been a bird hunter all my years. Spent some years active on www.uplandjournal.com . These south of the border no limit shoots came up now and then. I gotta admit ,the pics of shooters standing next to PILES of dead birds bothered me. Even though damaged crops can be pointed to. A personal thing for me. A cooler of frozen breasts to send home, and I'd be done. Please do not let my POV sway you, it is only my own opinion. I would also miss seeing some good dog work.
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Post by Fowler on Jul 24, 2020 7:51:23 GMT -5
I know many of the operations collect all the birds they can and what isn't eaten by the sports is then given to the employees if they want and then to the needy very often. I am told that the shear numbers of birds you will often see can be mind boggling and the crop damage that the farmers incur is equally so. Entire sunflower crops that are picked clean before they can harvest sort of a thing.
It is certainly a hunt I would like to do one of these days.
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Post by elgriego on Jul 24, 2020 16:11:18 GMT -5
I know many of the operations collect all the birds they can and what isn't eaten by the sports is then given to the employees if they want and then to the needy very often. I am told that the shear numbers of birds you will often see can be mind boggling and the crop damage that the farmers incur is equally so. Entire sunflower crops that are picked clean before they can harvest sort of a thing. It is certainly a hunt I would like to do one of these days. I've done it and I'd go again. You're absolutely correct with the scale and the economic impact. It isn't unheard of to have a several hundred thousand birds in a field.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jul 24, 2020 19:09:32 GMT -5
Had a coworker go and also hunted parrots,......much of how we USAers feel about certain species is from our upbringing and what we are told is correct or ethical. Scandinavians routinely HUNT marine mammals (seal) yet it is extreme taboo in normal western culture. The seals by the way are destructive on the same level as our feral hogs, I have several friends who have government contracts to remove hundreds of seal in Scandinavia.
Personally I’d go hunt the dove and enjoy myself.
Trapr
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Post by rangersedge on Jul 24, 2020 20:55:55 GMT -5
Think of the benefit. You'll be adding to their economy, lessening crop damage (minutely), fertilizing their fields (dove remains), and providing some incentive for them to not poison them all (money from the hunts).
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Post by bula on Jul 25, 2020 7:06:25 GMT -5
I am glad to see the various opinions. My POV comes from wild bird numbers almost always being low. A limit a rare thing even with decent dogs. Please go and enjoy. Do eat some.
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Post by elgriego on Jul 30, 2020 14:22:18 GMT -5
Had a coworker go and also hunted parrots,......much of how we USAers feel about certain species is from our upbringing and what we are told is correct or ethical. Scandinavians routinely HUNT marine mammals (seal) yet it is extreme taboo in normal western culture. The seals by the way are destructive on the same level as our feral hogs, I have several friends who have government contracts to remove hundreds of seal in Scandinavia. Personally I’d go hunt the dove and enjoy myself. Trapr where I live in California, we have a green parrot infestation. the result of a couple of dozen parrots being released into the wild from a burning pet shop about 50 years ago. with the noise and landscape destruction (they love eating the budding leaves off trees), i wouldn't mind taking a few thousand out of the skies.
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Post by rWt on Jul 30, 2020 19:31:37 GMT -5
I have heard that it gets boring. That the mixed bag hunts are better-you get variety that way. Plus, you pay for shells and can shoot cases in a day.
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Post by Fowler on Jul 31, 2020 12:12:58 GMT -5
I have heard that it gets boring. That the mixed bag hunts are better-you get variety that way. Plus, you pay for shells and can shoot cases in a day. Several of the guys I know who have done the hunt have said they are glad they did it for a hunt but would do the mixed bag hunt if they went a second time. Guys get a bit punch drunk after shooting 1500-2000 rounds a day for days on end. You get the ammo you get, I wouldn't count on any reduced recoil loads either. My favorite story was a guy on his first afternoon got out of the van for a afternoon shoot and was wanting to hustle to the shooting position and get going. He was watching all of the doves flying back and forth and didn't want to miss the action. Well the guide wasn't exactly hurrying and kept saying don't worry senior we have plenty of time. He also asked a few times about getting some bug spray, the guide finally asked why. Well he pointed down the tree line and said look at that swarm of mosquitoes coming this way. Senior those arent mosquitoes those are doves and they will be here in 15 minutes or so, I need to go back to the van and get a couple more cases of shells for you senior. I will say everyone that seems to have fun down there has a pretty substantial bill for all the shells they shoot when it is all said and done, often close to the cost of the hunt. Also the guys who have been there before tend to pace themselves so they dont get so punch drunk by the end of the hunt.
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Post by rangersedge on Jul 31, 2020 18:40:36 GMT -5
Unrelated but made me think of a fishing story.
Back in 2001, I made contact with a fisheries professor who made annual trips to the Amazon near Iquitoes Peru. He had discovered several previously unknown species. In talking with him, he cautioned about three things: get your vaccinations, ensure the guide packs lots of water, and pace yourself as you can catch so many fish in the morning that you won't be able to lift your arms in the afternoon. Sounds like that dove hunting...
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Post by crazycarl on Jul 31, 2020 18:46:24 GMT -5
I'm not much for dove & a terrible wing shot besides, but I would love to go down there & hunt capybara.
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Post by bula on Aug 2, 2020 8:14:17 GMT -5
After a few days, CrazyCarl, I'd say your wing shooting would improve ! Doves are a unique challenge. They have a high rate of speed, accelerate FAST, then coast. Can jink and dodge in ways that are amazing.
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