Ruger super blackhawk 5 shot pawl question

[sac]

Before resurching on here and before my last post about a free spin pawl, I modified my original one Like I have done before and of corse messed it up. I called Ruger and they sent 2 of the correct number that I verified from this forum. Now after installing the new pawl if you cock the hammer smartly it works as it should but if you do it slowly it stops on one chamber on the transition. So do you take some of the pawl or the ratchet?

Thanks Scott

[dhd]

Always on the cheaper part (and easily replaceable).

Not sure I understand what you have going on though. Does it not carry up far enough or too much? Too much is good, not enough is bad (removing metal is easier than making metal I mean).

[sac]

Jun 22, 2020 16:25:24 GMT -5 dhd said:

Always on the cheaper part (and easily replaceable).

Not sure I understand what you have going on though. Does it not carry up far enough or too much? Too much is good, not enough is bad (removing metal is easier than making metal I mean).

Yes on the one chamber its not carrying all the way up, it stops at the transfer but with a little help it will go to lock up. 

[dhd]

I understand now and also understand why you mentioned the ratchet. Sounds like a rough spot if it is only on one hole. I'd take a long hard look at the ratchet under a magnifier. Is this a ridden hard revolver or a newer one?

I won't pretend to be an expert and don't doubt those with more knowledge on the RBH's will offer more.

[nicholst55]

Always modify the least expensive part. Unless there is an obvious flaw with the ratchet.

[sac]

It is a new revolver.

[leadhound]

Odd that it's only on one, sounds like a tolerance is off. If it is missing by a minute amount could even be the base pin or hammer pin tolerances. If new send back to Ruger, my last two were back within 10 days, even during the plague, they did tell me to wait for any elective services.

[zeus]

Knock a small amount off the tip of the lawn that engages the ratchet. It sounds like it’s binding. Remember if you ever need to add back, you can lay it on a vise and peen it with a small hammer and get a few thousandths back to shape if you need. It’s worth a shot but I’d modify the pawl slightly before I messed with the ratchet. Especially if it wasn’t doing it with the last one.

Measure your old one and see what the steps measure and see if it’s off just a touch

[dhd]

If it is a new one (and it is) I'd give Ruger a call and send it back

[sac]

Jun 22, 2020 23:35:53 GMT -5 zeus said:

Knock a small amount off the tip of the lawn that engages the ratchet. It sounds like it’s binding. Remember if you ever need to add back, you can lay it on a vise and peen it with a small hammer and get a few thousandths back to shape if you need. It’s worth a shot but I’d modify the pawl slightly before I messed with the ratchet. Especially if it wasn’t doing it with the last one.

Measure your old one and see what the steps measure and see if it’s off just a touch

I would assume take a a little off the bottom of the bottom tooth?

[bigmuddy]

I’ve replaced a few pawls on Rugers, usually with free spins, and it is common for one or two cambers to not carry up. I file on the bottom tooth on the pawl until they all work.

Don’t have to remove pawl to do this. I stick a tooth pick in the frame under the pawl to hold it out and use a small file, a little at a time. Keep trying until each chamber works.

Dan

[dhd]

Jun 26, 2020 8:46:47 GMT -5 bigmuddy said:

I’ve replaced a few pawls on Rugers, usually with free spins, and it is common for one or two cambers to not carry up. I file on the bottom tooth on the pawl until they all work.

Don’t have to remove pawl to do this. I stick a tooth pick in the frame under the pawl to hold it out and use a small file, a little at a time. Keep trying until each chamber works.

Dan

I fit 3 of the Powers free spin pawls over about a year sometime back. I would watch his video a couple three times before I pulled out the files each time. He made it look so easy. 

Not that my experience was/is germaine to this thread what I liked about his part was the pawl's were a little long and had to be fitted. I have 2 of those revolvers where they lock up a hair or two before the hammer cocks. I do remember the SBH had one chamber that locked up early (carry-up?) and I had to take a tiny amount off like bigmuddy described (revolver assembled, tape on cylinder frame, and toothpick holding pawl out, and that chamber marked). This was a Powers Custom now Grand Masters part.

The one revolver I had an issue with was a Bisquero that Clements ended up doing a full build. The hammer would cock a hair before the cylinder locked no matter how I fit the pawl. David put a new long cylinder in it anyways so whatever I did didn't matter.