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Post by ldmay375 on Apr 13, 2024 1:25:06 GMT -5
Resurrecting an old thread here to ask what the OP ultimately went with? And also to say that I am having a similar dilemma, trying to decide what to have Bowen build in a blued Bisley for me, .475L or .500L, and struggling with that. Not sure why when it ultimately isn’t a necessary dilemma, but leaning towards the .500L as FA still builds .475L and Trapr has privately made a very good argument for the .500L being a great choice for power, on animal effect, and controllability. He’s generously offered to even let me shoot some of his big bores to get a feel for them which I look forward to. The decision to send a gun or two in to Bowen is hastened by the fact that he won’t be working in his current capacity for too much longer so it feels imperative to me to get on it asap. Back to the OP, it would be awesome to know what you got and how you like it and perhaps where you’ve gone from there in the last 14yrs. Best regards to all and have a great day I am in the 475 Linebaugh camp. I have been there since the first Seyfried article, and confirmed with my first firing of one. I have no customs, but do have a couple of Freedom Arms & a BFR in the 475 Linebaugh. It is still a favorite cartridge, though I may be more enthusiastic over the 480 Ruger now days. An additional plus for me, no issue with firing 480 brass or 480 level loads in the Linebaugh. Though, now days I have more 480 only revolvers than Linebaugh chamberings. I think the 500 Linebaugh definitely has more performance potential. But, even at 480 levels I don't really feel short changed, and definitely not with full power 475 loads. The .500 & .510 bullets will always have an appeal. The .500, 500 JRH would probably be my pick of those. Particularly, due to already having a 500 S&W. |
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Post by wyomingnimrod on Apr 13, 2024 8:50:31 GMT -5
Everyone’s responses have been quite interesting. Regarding hunting ranges, is there a general difference between .475L and .500L trajectories? I know loads can vary widely, but is the .475 so much flatter-shooting that it makes a hunter’s life a lot easier at 100yds or so and in or is the .500 right in there?
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Post by Odin on Apr 13, 2024 9:55:01 GMT -5
There is no appreciable difference in trajectories between launching a large barn door at 1250fps and launching a slightly smaller barn door at the same speed. Even if the slightly smaller barn door is sped up to 1450, I still feel the difference is negligible. For those who are curious and are working through the mental/theoretical side of these types of decisions, one of the numerous online trajectory calculators can be quite enlightening.
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Post by wyomingnimrod on Apr 13, 2024 10:01:44 GMT -5
There is no appreciable difference in trajectories between launching a large barn door at 1250fps and launching a slightly smaller barn door at the same speed. Even if the slightly smaller barn door is sped up to 1450, I still feel the difference is negligible. For those who are curious and are working through the mental/theoretical side of these types of decisions, one of the numerous online trajectory calculators can be quite enlightening. Thanks, Odin. Nice analogy! Barn doors have authority. And you’re right, I should use a calculator to really nerd-out. Cheers. |
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Post by edk on Apr 13, 2024 10:42:56 GMT -5
Everyone’s responses have been quite interesting. Regarding hunting ranges, is there a general difference between .475L and .500L trajectories? I know loads can vary widely, but is the .475 so much flatter-shooting that it makes a hunter’s life a lot easier at 100yds or so and in or is the .500 right in there? …asks the man with a FA454 in hand. |
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Post by wyomingnimrod on Apr 13, 2024 10:55:19 GMT -5
Everyone’s responses have been quite interesting. Regarding hunting ranges, is there a general difference between .475L and .500L trajectories? I know loads can vary widely, but is the .475 so much flatter-shooting that it makes a hunter’s life a lot easier at 100yds or so and in or is the .500 right in there? …asks the man with a FA454 in hand. Touché, Ed. That is all the trajectory I could ever need…. Good point! |
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Post by bigbore5 on Apr 13, 2024 11:41:47 GMT -5
The man with the 454 should ask the man with the Bushwhacker!
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Post by Odin on Apr 13, 2024 19:57:17 GMT -5
If a shooter already has a 454 in the stable, I'd heartily recommend picking one of the 500s. All three carry the mail (454, 475, & 500), but the 454 is where it's at for express delivery and the 500s are superb heavy haulers.
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Post by wyomingnimrod on Apr 13, 2024 20:24:40 GMT -5
If a shooter already has a 454 in the stable, I'd heartily recommend picking one of the 500s. All three carry the mail (454, 475, & 500), but the 454 is where it's at for express delivery and the 500s are superb heavy haulers. I love how you put that. Well said, Odin. Sold on the .500L for next. Thanks, gentlemen |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Apr 13, 2024 20:37:05 GMT -5
My only “long Range” .500 is my Stalker .500 JRH/50ae out to 150 it’s a great all around big bore. All my others are .510’s and wear iron sights, so 85 yards max for me. Mostly used 50 and less.
Trapr
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Post by lar4570 on Apr 13, 2024 21:07:31 GMT -5
I look at the 475-500 delima, like I do the 44-45colt situation.
I prefer the 45colt over the 44 mag, because... the 44mag is a higher pressure round and if you have to shoot without earplugs, your ears will ring.
The 45 colt on the other hand will shoot similar bullet weights, but operates at a slightly lower pressure. So it's easier on the ears.
The 475 is a high pressure round. The 500 Linebaugh was originally a lower pressure round, but it can still handle similar weight bullets at similar velocity.
If you want to shoot the 525gn bullets, go with the 500 Linebaugh.
I have BFRs in 475, 500JRH, and 500S&W, also there's a stainless Octagon 500 Linebaugh that John built for me.
Are you a reloader? Or be firing factory ammo?
You might base your decision on what components you can find if reloading, or factory ammo that might be available...
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Post by wyomingnimrod on Apr 14, 2024 11:40:01 GMT -5
My only “long Range” .500 is my Stalker .500 JRH/50ae out to 150 it’s a great all around big bore. All my others are .510’s and wear iron sights, so 85 yards max for me. Mostly used 50 and less. Trapr What optic do you use on your “long range” .500JRH/.50AE? And 85yds seems a very respectable iron sight distance to this guy. Much is made of how far a gun of whatever kind can shoot accurately and kill cleanly, but little is spoken of what all one myst do to hunt well enough to stalk within a big game animal’s “bubble.” Out here in Wyoming, I have only hunted with rifles and compound bow, and two thirds of my animals have been taken from 150-500yds, but a third of them have been taken 75yds and less, and those are the ones that mean the most because it was the best stalking work I’d put in. |
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Post by wyomingnimrod on Apr 14, 2024 11:45:04 GMT -5
I look at the 475-500 delima, like I do the 44-45colt situation. I prefer the 45colt over the 44 mag, because... the 44mag is a higher pressure round and if you have to shoot without earplugs, your ears will ring. The 45 colt on the other hand will shoot similar bullet weights, but operates at a slightly lower pressure. So it's easier on the ears. The 475 is a high pressure round. The 500 Linebaugh was originally a lower pressure round, but it can still handle similar weight bullets at similar velocity. If you want to shoot the 525gn bullets, go with the 500 Linebaugh. I have BFRs in 475, 500JRH, and 500S&W, also there's a stainless Octagon 500 Linebaugh that John built for me. Are you a reloader? Or be firing factory ammo? You might base your decision on what components you can find if reloading, or factory ammo that might be available... Those are helpful comparisons, Lar4570, thank you for putting it to me that way. Also, it seems from those that have gone before me such as yourself and Trapr and many others that the octagonal barrel just looks right. I am a reloader but I also lean heavily on factory loaded ammo much of the time. It would seem factory ammo is fairly available for .475L and very little is out there for .500L from what I’ve seen. That said, I did go ahead and order 250 pieces of each cartridge from Starline as it seems clear that I’ll want both in the stable (.475 arrived, .500L is on backorder). I have H110 but gather that W296 might be helpful and perhaps another powder for reduced loads, any advice is welcomed. Not a caster currently, so I’d be ordering cast bullets as well… |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Apr 14, 2024 12:59:09 GMT -5
Most of my magnified optic revolvers wear Burris 2-7x, a couple wear Burris 1.5-4x (no longer available) rarely do I use more than 4x. Sometimes it gets settled on the lowest power for close cover or 50 yard and less expected shots. The 500jrh/50ae wears a 2-7x. 85 is my self imposed maximum and there are several must have things for me to shoot that far with irons. Good rest, good light, able to hold on my desired bullet impact area without wavering, and no eye fatigue. Late in the day my eyes start to lose rapid focus adaptability, and the ever fading light makes it worse. So evening hunts are pretty much eliminated for me with irons, unless the distance is like 50 or less.
Trapr
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Post by lar4570 on Apr 14, 2024 13:08:17 GMT -5
H110 and 296 are the same.
4227 and 2400 are both good for near max loads.
HS6 is a good choice for moderate loads.
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