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Post by bigbrowndog on May 12, 2020 10:20:23 GMT -5
Look at what ALL the good practical shooters use for cant on their holster. Straight drop or muzzle forward, in a game where speed on target is KING. We wouldn’t do that if any other way was faster/smoother.
Trapr
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Post by kings6 on May 12, 2020 11:27:12 GMT -5
If you look at pictures of guys like Thell Reed shooting in speed events they all have a forward cant to the muzzle end of their holsters. That and VERY flexible backs to get bent over backwards like they do. I believe I have even seen pictures of JT shooting the same way in his younger days.
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Post by 470evans on May 12, 2020 15:01:39 GMT -5
Here's a pic of how it rides on me, maybe a slight muzzle forward cant but it feels good. Maybe there's a reason it's called the speed scabbard.
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Post by bobwright on May 12, 2020 15:25:18 GMT -5
If you look at pictures of guys like Thell Reed shooting in speed events they all have a forward cant to the muzzle end of their holsters. That and VERY flexible backs to get bent over backwards like they do. I believe I have even seen pictures of JT shooting the same way in his younger days. Look at the holsters of Tom Threepersons, Col. Charles Askins, and Bill Jordan. They all utilized a backward cant. And their "game" had folks shooting back at them. You carry as you like, I'll continue to carry my way. Its worked for me when I did need my gun in a hurry. Bob Wright
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Post by bigbrowndog on May 12, 2020 16:24:46 GMT -5
Lawmen tend to be affected by what the FBI desires, the muzzle rearward cant is referred to as the FBI cant due to the method that was taught by them on how to draw. If you look you’ll see that a crouched forward lean was the method used for many many years and still in use in modern times. This method works with that type of holster rake. It is also more comfortable while sitting in a vehicle, unless you use a crossdraw holster.
Trapr
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Post by cas on May 12, 2020 18:46:56 GMT -5
[ They all utilized a backward cant. And their "game" had folks shooting back at them. Waited for that. That argument is like saying a top fuel dragster isn't fast because they work poorly in the mud and snow. I drive in mud and snow, not on drag strips, so my truck is faster. Rear cant on a policeman's holster would make taking it away from behind much easier, not a great idea,
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Post by jayhawker on May 13, 2020 8:42:44 GMT -5
The muzzle forward angle, known as "muzzle rake", was developed by Andy Anderson of Gunfighter holsters, as used by Thell Reed. It was for safety with live ammo single action fast draw. The gun is cocked in the holster with first hand contact. With a muzzle rake holster the cocked SA, while in the holster, is pointed in front of the shooters leg and foot. An AD will go in the ground in front of the shooter. The shooters found that another benefit of the muzzle rake was it is faster when using the slap the hammer draw.
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Post by bobwright on May 13, 2020 10:26:28 GMT -5
Lawmen tend to be affected by what the FBI desires, the muzzle rearward cant is referred to as the FBI cant due to the method that was taught by them on how to draw. If you look you’ll see that a crouched forward lean was the method used for many many years and still in use in modern times. This method works with that type of holster rake. It is also more comfortable while sitting in a vehicle, unless you use a crossdraw holster. Trapr I don't think Tom Threepersons was affected by what anybody else did, FBI or not. And I'm pretty sure Charles Askins was pretty much of an independent thinker as well. As for me, even standing straight up, neither crouching nor leaning backward, the muzzle rearward cant works best for me. The forward motion, or "swoop" is the more natural route to get the gun out, up and on target than drawing it rearward out of the holster. Bob Wright
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Post by ddixie884 on May 13, 2020 20:11:53 GMT -5
The reason the FBI rake is so popular is it is worn at 4 o'clock and conceals better under a jacket. It also makes it easier to do manual labor like chopping wood or using a shovel. Of course gun fighters don't do these things............
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