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Post by taffin on May 17, 2020 9:12:48 GMT -5
BULLSEYE WAS KING. EVEN MOST "COMBAT TRAINING" WAS MOSTLY ONE-HANDED BULLSEYE STYLE. COL.COOPER CHANGED A LOT OF THINKING.
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Post by AxeHandle on May 17, 2020 10:37:09 GMT -5
The boys now days look at 5 shots at 25 yards in 10 seconds and laugh... What they don't realize is that a master class bullseye shooter shoots nothing but Xs and 10s at that range. Many more Xs than 10s. The equivalent of selecting which eye socket they want to place the bullet in and putting it there.
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Post by JSutter on May 17, 2020 20:44:23 GMT -5
“eye socket accuracy”
Too few of today’s shooters have seen that.
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Post by blackmamba on May 18, 2020 19:33:18 GMT -5
Most of the time when I go to the range I see people put the target at 4 or 5 yards and shoot groups that look more like patterns than groups. I'm talking about 10-12 inch groups at 4 yards! No one is interested in precision any more, just spray lead. I've even seen people shooting .223 rifles at 5 - 7 yards with 10 inch groups. It makes me sick! I was at the range today shooting my Blackhawk 41 mag and shooting 2" groups at 10 yds and actually had people coming over to me and congratulating me! I'm 65 years old and can barely see the front sight, and can still keep them all in the black at 10 yards. God help us if we ever get invaded! This used to be a country of riflemen, and now it's a country of Ninja warriors . . . we're in deep trouble!
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Post by taffin on May 18, 2020 21:38:03 GMT -5
No one is interested in precision any more, just spray lead.
You are painting with an awfully wide brush! For one thing there are a whole group of dedicated rifle shooters shooting out to 1000 yards or more. Some are even doing it with 18th-century single-shot rifles and pushing them even further.
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Post by blackmamba on May 19, 2020 14:34:14 GMT -5
Yes, it was a bit of exaggeration, but not without some truth. I believe the trend to hi-cap semi-autos from 6-shot revolvers was the seminal point of change. At the indoor 25 yard range I am a member of, not 1 in 5 shooters I see ever put the target more than 7-10 yards away, and many are less than 5, even with MSRs.
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Post by wheelguns on May 19, 2020 14:45:43 GMT -5
One of the great things about this hobby is the diversity! There is something that interests just about anybody, and everyone finds their groove in one discipline or another. That being said, I was at an indoor range just after christmas several years ago. There were two guys with a brand new ar in the next bay. Apparently they wanted to shoot a really good target. They had it so close that the barrel was probably touching the target. When they fired, the target came loose, and all I saw was something out of the corner of my eye flying towards me. Scared the crap out of me! Their hijinks must have been noticed, because they were eventually asked to leave and not come back.
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Post by AxeHandle on May 19, 2020 14:47:41 GMT -5
No exaggeration from my prospective. We run 21,000 plus shooters on an average year.. Real shooters are rarely seen..
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Post by wheelguns on May 19, 2020 15:04:21 GMT -5
No exaggeration from my prospective. We run 21,000 plus shooters on an average year.. Real shooters are rarely seen.. That is a mess of shooters! How many bays at the range?
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Post by taffin on May 19, 2020 18:35:15 GMT -5
Yes, it was a bit of exaggeration, but not without some truth. I believe the trend to hi-cap semi-autos from 6-shot revolvers was the seminal point of change. At the indoor 25 yard range I am a member of, not 1 in 5 shooters I see ever put the target more than 7-10 yards away, and many are less than 5, even with MSRs. I have no doubt this is true! I do not like shooting indoors for a variety of and especially not when I wind up beside someone who is shooting an AR as fast as he can. Many years ago I embarrassed several shooters who could barely stay on paper with their sixguns when I told my teenaged granddaughter to head shoot the silhouette target with my Model 19.. That is exactly what she did and I had that .357 Magnum totally tuned and refinished for her with case colored hammer and trigger and custom stocks.
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Post by Frank V on May 19, 2020 19:54:54 GMT -5
Yes, it was a bit of exaggeration, but not without some truth. I believe the trend to hi-cap semi-autos from 6-shot revolvers was the seminal point of change. At the indoor 25 yard range I am a member of, not 1 in 5 shooters I see ever put the target more than 7-10 yards away, and many are less than 5, even with MSRs. I really enjoy shooting at objects at 100 & 200 yards standing using two hands. I thank God he allowed me to shoot NRA Pistol Bullseye for over 20 years. You learn a lot about sights, trigger, & breathing shooting one handed at 50yds. Good times.
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Post by ezekiel38 on May 24, 2020 14:39:10 GMT -5
I'm glad to see "new shooters" at the indoor range where I belong, yes they are a bit scary, and they are not marksman/women but they are trying out the sport. Several I know have been from the left side of the political tracks, and that is good to see, IMHO.
As a retired LEO Firearms Instructor who cut his teeth on Bullseye, then later PPC and onto IPSC and IDPA it is incumbent upon me to help those coming up. If our children and grandchildren will enjoy the sport, part of our job is to teach those who are struggling with accuracy and operational issues, so they don't shrink a small shooting population base. People who enjoy a certain activity will participate more in that activity.
I've given my grandson two revolvers and have schooled him in them and now I gave him a S&W M&P 2.0 9mm and he is liking all three. We march on!
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