|
Post by dougader on Jul 20, 2021 21:38:35 GMT -5
Guides I talked to, and those I read, say the head shot is a pipe dream. The shoulder(s) coming at you should be the target(s). You break that big lump and ol smokey's going down. Break both and he's not getting up. Then your head shot is a finisher.
Yes, the relatively small head swings back and forth and bobs up and down. Bad choice. The points of shoulders stay relatively level, even in a full charge. Break a shoulder; nose dive in the dirt. Bear tries to get back up, break the other shoulder, then finish the bear.
I'm sure this, as well, sounds far easier than it would be in reality. But they have a lot more experience with it than I do....
|
|
|
Post by paul105 on Jul 21, 2021 7:13:38 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by magnumwheelman on Jul 21, 2021 8:05:00 GMT -5
I agree with Doug... & look at it as dropping a charging ( you pick the big critter... water buff or??? ) smash the bone in the shoulder... puts em down... if determined, he may get back up, but buys you time to get a fresh round under the firing pin... 2nd shoulder should end a charge ( hope you have enough space, that he doesn't land on you, when he drops the 2nd time ) look for deep penetration bone smashing heavy bullets ( I like the new solid brass or copper wide flat nose variety ) will admit on an open forum like this, that I'm not a good enough shot to take a head shot, even if that brain was twice the size... I'd be going just left, or right of COM of the target presented... I like bigger bores, but admit a heavy deep penetrating solid from a 357 magnum, or 10 mm aught to do the job, as long as a good hit is the result, after the trigger is pulled... not sure piercing an ear with a 500 S&W would provide as good a result... however I've shot 500 S&W revolvers on closed in outdoor ranges, that the concussion from a single round, knocked down all the steel plates... so those 500 S&W snubbies they used to sell, may well stop a bear attack, without even hitting it
|
|
|
Post by tdbarton on Jul 21, 2021 8:10:13 GMT -5
Where I’m headed, about the biggest thing I’m likely to encounter is a black bear. I’m honestly more concerned about people and what I can only describe as “random handgun odd-jobs”. Been looking very longingly at S&W model 58s….
|
|
Yetiman
.327 Meteor
Enter your message here...
Posts: 580
|
Post by Yetiman on Jul 21, 2021 11:59:25 GMT -5
Where I’m headed, about the biggest thing I’m likely to encounter is a black bear. I’m honestly more concerned about people and what I can only describe as “random handgun odd-jobs”. Been looking very longingly at S&W model 58s…. That's very much the case for me as well. In the woods I prowl, the most likely targets are people, big dogs, black bears and coyotes. So far I have had to draw on people, shoot one dog, and have shot several coyotes. My woods gun is usually a Redhawk Kodiak Backpacker in 44 mag. Comfortable to carry, VERY concealable and quite effective.
|
|
|
Post by dougader on Jul 21, 2021 12:46:18 GMT -5
Yep, no big browns or girzz here. Black bear and cougar, and the 2-legged varmints from the city are the only predators on the west side...
|
|
|
Post by junebug on Jul 21, 2021 17:41:13 GMT -5
Pray for the best, Prepare for the worst! We NEVER know what's around the next corner, on the daily trails of our lives.
|
|
cmillard
.375 Atomic
MOLON LABE
Posts: 1,936
|
Post by cmillard on Jul 22, 2021 13:06:19 GMT -5
.45 colt gets my vote....with a nice hardcast bullet made for penetration. I would also not have it loaded too wildly, as I would want a faster follow up shot, vs having heavy recoil and taking longer to follow up.
|
|
rocdoc
.30 Stingray
Posts: 133
|
Post by rocdoc on Jul 22, 2021 23:58:10 GMT -5
I agree with Doug... & look at it as dropping a charging ( you pick the big critter... water buff or??? ) smash the bone in the shoulder... puts em down... if determined, he may get back up, but buys you time to get a fresh round under the firing pin... 2nd shoulder should end a charge ( hope you have enough space, that he doesn't land on you, when he drops the 2nd time ) look for deep penetration bone smashing heavy bullets ( I like the new solid brass or copper wide flat nose variety ) will admit on an open forum like this, that I'm not a good enough shot to take a head shot, even if that brain was twice the size... I'd be going just left, or right of COM of the target presented... I like bigger bores, but admit a heavy deep penetrating solid from a 357 magnum, or 10 mm aught to do the job, as long as a good hit is the result, after the trigger is pulled... not sure piercing an ear with a 500 S&W would provide as good a result... however I've shot 500 S&W revolvers on closed in outdoor ranges, that the concussion from a single round, knocked down all the steel plates... so those 500 S&W snubbies they used to sell, may well stop a bear attack, without even hitting it If we return to the anatomy of a grizzley, yes the sholder blades are BIG, but only at right angles to same. On a charging bear, same impossible small target in cross section to think your gonna win in a gun fight by breaking him down. Smaller/thinner target than a brain shot even. Buy and carry a can of spray primary, sidearm if the worst happens.
|
|
rocdoc
.30 Stingray
Posts: 133
|
Post by rocdoc on Jul 23, 2021 0:30:04 GMT -5
Forgot to add: Island Park News Idaho July 15 issue, trail runner whacked by momma grizzly with cub, man got away with minor injuries playing dead. Momma just doing what momma bears do. Two fatal attacks in region so far this year, one body cached and bear feeding on it when investigators intervened. YIKES!
|
|
|
Post by bula on Jul 23, 2021 11:28:16 GMT -5
Am thinking, when the incident is deemed successful, it means the bear was deterred, not necessarily killed. This not hunting nor the goal really. Am ok with that. A failure when the human injured or killed. Yes ? Truthfully, an inbound ears back charging bear ? I doubt I'd be picking a spot, more likely be shooting COM. Maybe get the headshot, maybe shoulders or spine, or, will take what I can get, whatever gets holed. Reality. It has been ingrained into memory, advice to aim to the lower side of center, as in let'em run on in to the bullet. I'm not wanting to fool myself into thinking I'll be as cool as ole Phil the guide in Alaska.
|
|
|
Post by leftysixgun on Jul 23, 2021 14:09:50 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by 45MAN on Jul 24, 2021 7:18:47 GMT -5
.45 colt gets my vote....with a nice hardcast bullet made for penetration. I would also not have it loaded too wildly, as I would want a faster follow up shot, vs having heavy recoil and taking longer to follow up. ON SEVERAL OF MY ALASKAN BLACK BEAR HUNTS (IN BROWN BEAR COUNTRY), AND A BROWN BEAR HUNT, MY BACK UP REVOLVER WAS MY 6 SHOT LINEBAUGH REDHAWK 45 COLT (CONVERTED FROM A 44 MAG AND GUSSIED UP BY MNP), AND MY THINKING WAS SIMILAR, A WFN BULLET, UNDER 1,300fps, SO AS TO NOT SACRIFICE BULLET INTEGRITY NOR CONTROLLABILTY.
|
|
|
Post by squawberryman on Jul 24, 2021 13:49:57 GMT -5
9mm is good for Florida grizzlies
|
|
|
Post by x101airborne on Jul 24, 2021 16:48:54 GMT -5
9mm is good for Florida grizzlies LOL! Ya nut!!
|
|