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Post by paul105 on Jan 16, 2020 20:16:21 GMT -5
Some more data points:
Labradar Muzzle Velocity (familiarization run) 60 Deg F 5000' elevation S&W M66-8 2.75" .357 Mag
180gr Buff Bore …………………………………………………………………………….. 1,312 fps avg ( 6 fps ES) -- two rounds 185gr LFNGC (Beartooth), 15.0gr Lil'Gun, CCI 400 New Starline.. 1,228 fps avg (14 fps ES) – two rounds
Also ran two Buff Bore 180s thru 16" Rossi M92 carbine ……………. 1,894 fps avg ( 6 fps ES) -- two rounds
Paul
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Post by oddshooter on Jan 22, 2020 10:40:07 GMT -5
My hunting load for my TC Contender: 357 Magnum new cases Federal Magnum primer 14.6 grains VV-N110 Remington 158 Jacketed Soft Point This load has accounted for several dump truck loads of hogs, several coyotes (including my longest range kill to date, 190 yards) all manner of miscellaneous vermin, one John Deere tractor muffler pipe, etc. But I don't know that I would try it in a production revolver. I have never cronographed it, just let "Herr Target Board" tell me what it likes. Hey airborne, I'm a serious Fan of the VV as well. My particular poison is the N340, with N110 second. The accuracy keeps my clock wound, but the stability and cleanliness are big added bonuses. I test it in every caliber I load and found it to be the best groups/velocity for several. All the VV I've used downloads well, unlike H110. Your VV N110: I looked up your load on VV site and found 158gr SJSP, CBC using 14.1 hitting 1430fps. The max load was 17.2 hitting 1667fps. Those may be optimistic, but those velocities begin to scare me. Over 1600fps in a 357 handgun is a sure attention getter. I would be concerned that VV was aiming at rifle use. My 7 to 8 grains of N340 hits around 1200fps; and the only scary thing is the accuracy. a post on highroad.com said 14.8grns of N110 and a 158grn XTP gave him 1360fps. That's still a handfull to hold on to. Many posters talk about not being able to load much more without compressing. It is bulky. It would appear that a compressed case full is max. Expensive, but you get what you pay for. The cost per round is negligible. Prescut
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Post by x101airborne on Jan 22, 2020 12:44:01 GMT -5
In my younger days, that VV load was death to everything. Including ear drums LOL. If you ever get the chance to fire that load out the open door of a tractor cab, you will only do it once. LOL.
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KRal
.375 Atomic
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Post by KRal on Jan 27, 2020 11:56:21 GMT -5
Wheelguns, My experience with the 357 mag is minimum, for I only started using one a few years ago, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I’ve taken deer with the 180 nosler partition, 180 xtp, and 158 Speer deep curl. My Gp100 is currently set up for 180 NP’s (no longer made), but actually shot the 158’s more accurately. The 180 NP’s performs flawlessly in my GP100 and my M353 Casull. Resently I started testing the 158 deep curl in my 7” talo 686 and really like the results. As Dick mentioned, velocity is your friend with the smaller bore. With the results I got with the 158 deep curl, I’ll probably switch to using it in my GP100 and just us the 180 NP’s in my FA. The deep curl with a max dose of H110 will get you where you need to be with velocity, it’s a bonded/rapid expanding bullet that gives impressive terminal performance and is comparable in price to the xtp’s. The deep curl is becoming my favorite jacketed bullet in every caliber I use it in....it would be my suggestion to start with.
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Post by wheelguns on Jan 27, 2020 19:20:22 GMT -5
KRal, that is something else to think about. I think I will try some, and compare velocities. Lots of testing to do.
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groo
.327 Meteor
I yet live!!!!
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Post by groo on Jan 31, 2020 16:03:02 GMT -5
Groo here In ohio our experience is with factory. We shoot for bone, to slow them down for a second if needed.[with all size bullets. Don't use bullets intended for SD as they are soft. Don't go lighter than mid weight.[even xtp light weight that open slower is not the best.] You must hit in the correct spot, and you must get deep enough to damage the "Good Stuff" PS the last one was a 35 yd doe ,from a TRR8 5in, using Leverevolution... One shot put her down ,,, one more to make us feel better.
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erich
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Post by erich on Apr 3, 2020 19:12:51 GMT -5
I'm at altitude, but I get 1230 fps with single-digit deviations with a 180-gr hardcast from a 3" tube. Max load of Blue Dot, standard primer, .357 brass. Lil' Gun works better for me than BD from my short rifle: easy to get 1750 fps with a 180 from the 20" gun. ***** erich.... good info, to be looked at closely; shows you’re intent to load for the gun. David Bradshaw Just saw this, Sir: thank you!
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Post by wildcatter on Apr 4, 2020 23:15:27 GMT -5
I to prefer the MH carbine bullet a 180 grain bullet at 174 grain with the HP, cast 70/30 with a bit of tin bullion for toughness. My preference for lead is I control the ability to expand, not in deer but with over 150 grains revered after 5 1/2 gallon water jugs I have faith it would work @ 1455 fps w/ excellent accuracy! I have a very accurate Bisley in 357 with a 5.5" barrel. This load is quite warm but safe in this revolver, and one of my most accurate loads in any caliber. I worked the load up thinking of trying to take a deer with it, and I am sure it would if placed properly. But as others have said, I have much more capable revolvers so I have not tried it yet, but a great yote killer. I would not use this load in a GP-100, and would caution working up slowly in the Blackhawk, most would consider it a FA 83 or Blackhawk only load!
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Post by 45MAN on Apr 5, 2020 8:12:48 GMT -5
WILDCATTER: EXCELLENT SHOOTING. OPEN SIGHTS? RANGE? MY EXPERIENCE WITH NON-EXPANDING CAST BULLETS IN 357 REVOLVERS ON DEER IS THAT YOU NEED EXPANSION. THE 357 MAY BE A GOOD DEER KILLER, WITH THE RIGHT BULLETS, BUT AS YOU STATED, THERE ARE BETTER CHOICES.
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dhd
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Post by dhd on Apr 5, 2020 8:19:20 GMT -5
I to prefer the MH carbine bullet a 180 grain bullet at 174 grain with the HP, cast 70/30 with a bit of tin bullion for toughness. My preference for lead is I control the ability to expand, not in deer but with over 150 grains revered after 5 1/2 gallon water jugs I have faith it would work @ 1455 fps w/ excellent accuracy! I have a very accurate Bisley in 357 with a 5.5" barrel. This load is quite warm but safe in this revolver, and one of my most accurate loads in any caliber. I worked the load up thinking of trying to take a deer with it, and I am sure it would if placed properly. But as others have said, I have much more capable revolvers so I have not tried it yet, but a great yote killer. I would not use this load in a GP-100, and would caution working up slowly in the Blackhawk, most would consider it a FA 83 or Blackhawk only load! Yep, that's a warm one! Been there with my FA83 (and a little above) and it really has a crack when it goes off. Like you, I found some great accuracy up there, but 16 grains shot close enough for the steel I keep trying to kill. I'm not hunting with mine, only trying to shoot tiny groups so I have nothing to offer on hunting loads. I have pushed the 180 XTP hard and they land close together up there. Not a whole lot of difference in accuracy with the Sierra 180 grain FPJ or Hornady 180 XTP in my guns (meaning the XTP shoots good as that FPJ is awesome).
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Post by wildcatter on Apr 5, 2020 10:05:47 GMT -5
WILDCATTER: EXCELLENT SHOOTING. OPEN SIGHTS? RANGE? MY EXPERIENCE WITH NON-EXPANDING CAST BULLETS IN 357 REVOLVERS ON DEER IS THAT YOU NEED EXPANSION. THE 357 MAY BE A GOOD DEER KILLER, WITH THE RIGHT BULLETS, BUT AS YOU STATED, THERE ARE BETTER CHOICES. Thank you Sir! Those were 25 yards, closer to 30 off a rest, and yes open sights. But the 100 yard 8" round steel plate is no problem with this load. Expansion is good in water jugs, thats a lot harder than tissue in my findings, but that base a .400" recovered, tells me in deer I would get expansion, and unless leg or shoulder bone was hit, I should retain more. I have shot deer with the 45 cal. using 250 XTP's when they first came out and they were to explosive at 60 to 70 yards on deer. This is just one reason I load my own cast for every purpose, and each one has a different alloy, as well as bullet. I have confidence this load will work. But my eye's are getting worse, and hunting light is never ideal at prime time when 80% of big game is most often encountered. I love hunting with open sighted revolvers, but I don't want to limit myself to close shots only, I want to be able to take that 100 to 150 yard shot if needed in these dark eastern deer hardwoods. That was one reason I re-shot that load after sight adjustment because of that one shot out, But like most revolvers it is just one chamber that refuses not to play with the others. Better than being me I guess, and if the first 5 didn't get er done,, that sixth shot aint even a Hail Mary at that point, it would just be another irresponsible shot! I want to also stress one more reason I have little use for Jackets besides their tuning abilities using different alloys and nose profiles, is how clean they leave a barrel! when properly sized and lubed, even gas checked bullets foul much less than jackets or monolith bullets, increasing long term accuracy and less cleaning! Along with their ability to produce higher velocities with less pressure using the same weight slugs! I may test em one of these days, but it's hard after grabbing my 45 Colt every time I headed out the door for deer now for over 30 years, old reliable,, one and done is reliable.
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450ak
.30 Stingray
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Post by 450ak on Apr 6, 2020 21:10:38 GMT -5
Tried my S frame 83/8s a few years ago on a trophy for antelope hunt. 358156 hollow point pushed to 1400 plus. Our favorite antelope area is ten miles or so from where Col. Wesson shot the first head of big game with the 357. First shot through her shoulders, she leveled out but kept walking. Swung a more forward and broke her neck. She was under a hundred yards and unaware of us. Both bullets exited after creating pretty good damage. She made great breakfast sausage. Think I’ll try it again with my six inch 27 this year.
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 7, 2020 12:18:37 GMT -5
Tried my S frame 83/8s a few years ago on a trophy for antelope hunt. 358156 hollow point pushed to 1400 plus. Our favorite antelope area is ten miles or so from where Col. Wesson shot the first head of big game with the 357. First shot through her shoulders, she leveled out but kept walking. Swung a more forward and broke her neck. She was under a hundred yards and unaware of us. Both bullets exited after creating pretty good damage. She made great breakfast sausage. Think I’ll try it again with my six inch 27 this year. ***** 450ak..... good job on the antelope. Do I see a typo? Or, do you call your .357 an “S frame” based on a serial number with S prefix? N-frames with S prefix serial number date to the mid-1960’s and earlier. Frame size is not stamped on the frame. According to Roy Jinks, the “S" prefix was changed in 1969, at S333,454, to “N” prefix, with serial number N1. David Bradshaw
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 7, 2020 12:35:28 GMT -5
I to prefer the MH carbine bullet a 180 grain bullet at 174 grain with the HP, cast 70/30 with a bit of tin bullion for toughness. My preference for lead is I control the ability to expand, not in deer but with over 150 grains revered after 5 1/2 gallon water jugs I have faith it would work @ 1455 fps w/ excellent accuracy! I have a very accurate Bisley in 357 with a 5.5" barrel. This load is quite warm but safe in this revolver, and one of my most accurate loads in any caliber. I worked the load up thinking of trying to take a deer with it, and I am sure it would if placed properly. But as others have said, I have much more capable revolvers so I have not tried it yet, but a great yote killer. I would not use this load in a GP-100, and would caution working up slowly in the Blackhawk, most would consider it a FA 83 or Blackhawk only load! ***** wildcatter.... Hodgdon lists only the Nosler 180 Partition under .357 Mag with 180’s. Granted, cast bullets generally show a gain in velocity over jacketed for a given charge, often with somewhat less pressure. Nevertheless, here is what Hodgdon lists: .356 Mag, Nosler 180 Partition* 13.5/H110 = 39,100 CUP. * 15/Lil-Gun = 35,500 CUP. A call to Hodgdon may provide insight into your pressure zone. Meanwhile, the loads certainly point up a wide spectrum of strength among .357 revolvers. While it takes thousands of standard loads to show wear on a good revolver, it only take one injudicious load to wreck it. To raise a charge of slow powder elevates pressure at the same time. While pressure doesn’t spike in the seemingly spontaneous fashion of fast or medium powder, pressure nevertheless continues upward. With the Ruger Blackhawk, first signs include primer and case, not gun. 4140 with Ruger heat treatments is incredible steel. Nothing proves it more than the Blackhawk .357 Maximum. Yet, in the Rocks & Dynamite zone, to have some idea of pressure is not a bad idea. I appreciate your providing full load data. I do not approve of incomplete data; such secrecy appears lazy or fearful. David Bradshaw
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450ak
.30 Stingray
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Post by 450ak on Apr 7, 2020 14:54:44 GMT -5
Yes, my 8 3/8s is an S frame shipped June of 1968
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