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Post by ddixie884 on Jan 8, 2020 22:08:35 GMT -5
I have never owned a 9mm revolver, much less a snubbie. Looks like a 5 shot snub in 9mm might be a good pocket gun. Anyone have experience. I really like my moon clip .45s.
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Post by contender on Jan 8, 2020 22:44:27 GMT -5
Well, O have a few 9mm revolvers.
One is an older Ruger Speed-Six,, and the other one is a newer LCR. Both use moons or 1/2 moons.
If you like 9mm,, the yes,, they are a good choice. I prefer my Speed-Six over the LCR,, as I like the weight of a steel revolver. Personal choice here.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 8, 2020 22:51:10 GMT -5
I have never owned a 9mm revolver, much less a snubbie. Looks like a 5 shot snub in 9mm might be a good pocket gun. Anyone have experience. I really like my moon clip .45s. ***** ddixie884.... the 9mm Luger is fine little round, fine where its ammo is plentiful & cheap, where other ammo is hard to come by, on indoor ranges where ammo must be purchased. The 9mm Luger is a very efficient cartridge, with fine bullets in great variety available. It works in short barrels. The 9mm Luger is an auto pistol round with tapered case, not a revolver cartridge. To work in a revolver the 9mm Luger requires a degree of specialization, half-moon or moon clips, or a Rube Goldberg extractor in the cylinder. Unless the revolver has a groove diameter for .355” bullets, it may not shoot straight. A belly gun chambered for 9 Mike-Mike should work with and without clips. The strongest moon clips is weak next to an HKS speed loader. To carry moon clips in pocket risks damage under adversity. Smith & Wesson went through a serious development project to incorporate extractor hooks in the extractor post to kick out the 9mm. Other have tried snap rings. If you like the moons, and there is never an ignition or carry-up failure, by all means. David Bradshaw |
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Post by edk on Jan 9, 2020 7:43:06 GMT -5
If it is to be the perfect 38 snubbie shouldn't it have its' own frame size?
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Post by rjm52 on Jan 9, 2020 9:46:17 GMT -5
The best, 9mm...nope...the .38 Super is however. I've found having three different 9mm Js and LCRs that once one starts running +P loads the guns start getting case stick and/or cylinder binding due to the slight taper to the case. I've got four .38 Super revolvers, 2 Js, 1 K and 1 L and have no problems at all... The gun companies are missing the boat on this combination... Bob 649-1  60-10  66-2 3"  686-7  |
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Post by rjm52 on Jan 9, 2020 9:55:28 GMT -5
I've also got an Ruger LCR in 9mm and it is an excellent gun...  ...for personal defense I would rather have a 9mm snub vs. a .38 Special... |
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Post by bula on Jan 9, 2020 10:11:16 GMT -5
A legit question.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 9, 2020 12:02:50 GMT -5
“.... three different 9mm Js and LCRs that once one starts running +P loads the guns start getting case stick and/or cylinder binding due to the slight taper to the case.
I've got four .38 Super revolvers, 2 Js, 1 K and 1 L and have no problems at all...
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Bob.... good input. Of the people I know who pack a J-frame, only a few handload. The rim of a .38 Special sticks out .030”; whereas, the fingernail-thick rim of a .38 Super sticks out .011”. Sounds like you have no problem extracting. A short case of high pressure turns good ballistics from a short barrel. If the skinny rim isn’t a problem, the challenge becomes ammo selection and availability. And, quite possibly, accuracy of a .355 bullet in a bore rifled for .357.
My J-frame Smiths, steel and aluminum, mostly with enclosed hammer, print the length of a football field. A friend watched this action as my M-442 Centennial peppered Tin Man, offhand @ 100 yards. His curiosity eating at him. Handing him the revolver, Hold between the collar bones. Squeeze trigger like you’re taking a baby’s pulse, straight back into your eye.
He hits 2x5 on the first cylinder. Perhaps it was his second or third cylinder, he CLINKS Tin Man 5x5.
Do you ream .38 Special chamber for .38 Super?
David Bradshaw
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Post by bula on Jan 9, 2020 12:48:11 GMT -5
Maybe a bit of a high jack.. But Charter Arms tweeked their Pit Bull to run 40 S&W.. The CA doesn't garner the respect the S&W gets. If only talking snubby(CCW), I'm going with bigger holes in all the right places. True, the tweeked means more parts, little parts, risks. Why a 44 spec CA in my pocket. But how CA adapted the Pit Bull, is worthy of discussion in this thread.
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Post by rjm52 on Jan 9, 2020 21:10:05 GMT -5
Mr. Bradshaw...the work was done by TK Custom on the 649, 66 and 60-10. Instead of rechambering the original cylinder, like new spares were found on eBay and GunBroker. The one for the 66 dropped right in but the 60 and 649 had to be fitted. The altered cylinders will all run 9mm, .38 Super, .38 Special and the 60-10 and 66-2 will also run .357 Magnum. 9mms of course need clips to function at all. 9x23s will not chamber for some reason and I was told by TK NOT to use this round as the pressure is way too great.
The guns will fire and eject .38 Super without clips but because the rim is pretty small the gun needs to be vertical for positive ejection.
Have really not done much testing in the accuracy department but all the ammo fed the guns so far group just as well with 9mm and .38 Super as they did with .38 Special.
Bob
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 21:43:45 GMT -5
Back to the OP, I had a pair of S&W 940s when they first came out. I really wanted to love the 9mm J frame but they wouldn't let me. I found the 9mm recoil in a snubbie uncomfortable, I felt the muzzle flip was excessive for the power level, and the recoil was too well, abrupt is probably the most descriptive word for it. I went back to 38 Spl +P (in a 357 J frame) and never looked back. You might see if you can rent or borrow one of the 9mm revolvers before you plunk down your hard-earned money.
Just a suggestion.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 9, 2020 22:39:08 GMT -5
Bob and anachronism.... good dope there, boys. Had I thought, might have tried the cartridge interchangeability years ago. Of course, .38 Special is a low pressure round compared with 9mm and .38 Super, while the latter are more compact cases. And, Yes, for all the reasons raise muzzle vertical for ejection. Seems the .38 Special chamber might require a slight, very low angle chamfer to chamber the tapered 9mm Luger.
I did try a variety of .40 S&W in the Colt 1911 Delta Elite 10mm to see whether it would fire, counting on the extractor to hold the shorter case, and Browning’s brilliant inertia firing pin to set things off. Some of the ammo was horrible corroded. Not only did it fire----cycling was often short----but that Delta had no trouble pelting a 55 gallon oil drum @ 140 yards. Thus, in a pinch, the .40 S&W would work. In writing it up, others shared similar experiences. I, too, shall stick with .38 Special in J-frame belly guns, along with a smattering of .357’s in the appropriate Centennial with the Uncle Mike's Combat rubber. The .38’s are fine with Uncle Mike’s Boot Grip.
David Bradshaw
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Post by ddixie884 on Jan 9, 2020 23:24:06 GMT -5
Taurus made a .380 5 shot snub. It had a short cylinder and a short frame. I wondered if they made a 9mm on that shorter frame. Think S&W I frame.........
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Post by Rimfire69 on Jan 10, 2020 8:12:37 GMT -5
I sure like that 60-10, and all this time I thought the best .38 was a .38. You can always learn something new.
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Post by DiamondD on Jan 11, 2020 4:54:34 GMT -5
The best, 9mm...nope...the .38 Super is however. I've found having three different 9mm Js and LCRs that once one starts running +P loads the guns start getting case stick and/or cylinder binding due to the slight taper to the case. I've got four .38 Super revolvers, 2 Js, 1 K and 1 L and have no problems at all... The gun companies are missing the boat on this combination... Bob 649-1 60-10 66-2 3" 686-7 Some neat guns there. 2 Dogs was saying on a group buy thread for a 147 gr hp mold that he was thinking of getting a Single Six made into a .38 Super. That idea had never crossed my mind but it sure sounds cool. I’ve got a Dan Wesson Guardian in Super .38 and think the old round has a lot of merit. I have a new SP 101 in 9mm and sure like that little gun. I haven’t run any +Ps in it but could certainly see where a guy could run ito problems with the tapered case. Hmmm...... |
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