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Post by rWt on Jan 8, 2020 10:53:40 GMT -5
The post 1992 Model 94 lever action rifles have a rebounding hammer and tang safety. I have read some reports of light hammer strikes. I don't know if these reports are in a rare minority or a prevalent problem. Does anyone have any experience with these 94"s they can share? Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 21:05:59 GMT -5
I have two of them (Trappers). Both have three coils cut from the mainsprings and still no light primer strikes. My 44 has the wart (crossbolt safety) and dates to 1994. The 30WCF has no manual safety and was likely made in the early 90s. Here's the 30WCF with its first hog kill from a couple of weeks back. Fun little rifle!
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Post by taffin on Jan 8, 2020 21:33:23 GMT -5
The post 1992 Model 94 lever action rifles have a rebounding hammer and tang safety. I have read some reports of light hammer strikes. I don't know if these reports are in a rare minority or a prevalent problem. Does anyone have any experience with these 94"s they can share? Thanks I have 5 Trappers (.357, .44 Mag,. 45 Colt, .30-30, .32 Win Special) To 20" .45 and .44 Magnum---never a problem.
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Post by rWt on Jan 9, 2020 9:32:14 GMT -5
I had it wrong. I think the rebounding hammer came to being in 1992. The tang safety arrived in 2003.
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Post by gregs on Jan 12, 2020 10:18:42 GMT -5
They are easy to delete, I did a 45 Colt 94ae and 3 92s.
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Post by rWt on Jan 12, 2020 10:50:47 GMT -5
They are easy to delete, I did a 45 Colt 94ae and 3 92s. Did you remove them because they had problems like light primer strikes or because you preferred the traditional half-cock notch?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 11:34:32 GMT -5
They are easy to delete, I did a 45 Colt 94ae and 3 92s. Did you remove them because they had problems like light primer strikes or because you preferred the traditional half-cock notch? Not to answer for gregs, but what I don't like about rebounding hammers is the negative effect on the action feel when cycling. They give a "bump" when the bolt finally contacts the hammer. Reduced mainspring tension really helps improve action feel, but a gun with a rebounding hammer will never be as smooth as JMB's original design.
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Post by rWt on Jan 12, 2020 12:42:05 GMT -5
Does Marlin do a better job with their rebounding hammer than Winchester?
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Post by gregs on Jan 13, 2020 5:22:08 GMT -5
VMax hit the nail on the head. 'A rebounding hammer will neve be as smooth as JMB's original design.' To add to this, a 94 will never be as smooth as a 92 on opening the action because it is designed for a longer cartridge.
I never had a problem with light strikes in the original configuration. They are just too oversprung to get the hammer speed up to carry through the dead zone that it makes cycling the action difficult while still shouldered. I was more interested in returning it to original design (direct energy to the firing pin) so I could easily reduce spring tension without fear of miss fires. I think the 94 is less finicky on diet over a 92 as mine would eat keith bullets like skittles and is easily adapted to a longer oal than a 92. Since I previously had little free time, I did test Buffalo Bore's 45 Colt 325 LBTs in a Winoko 92 trapper and they fed without a hitch.
When trying to smooth out the cycle in the 92/94 with a rebounding hammer I clipped a coil and a half off the top and bottom of the mainspring which reduced cocking pressure but as the bolt comes back on opening the action, it slams into the dead hammer. By removing the primary arm of the hammer strut, you effectively delete the dead inertia position that the hammer naturally rests at.
The other hitch to look at on a 92 or 86 action is thinning the extractor on the bottom middle to ease the finge lever pressure needed to get it to ride over the rim. This isn't a problem with the 94 extractor.
Clipping Spring: I clipped 1.5 coils off the bottom and top of each spring. I'd venture to say I coukd go another 1/2 coil off each end as I have no problem with CCI small or large magnum pistol primers but I think it would start to really effect lock time.
The half cock position is nice, perticularly if one was to fully delete the safety and tig up the safety slide window ala pre90s winnies.
Iffen you do the pooch, new struts and mainspings are available from gunpartscorp for the winoko 92s. I ordered new parts in the event I wanted to return it to factory or ever sold the first 92 in 357 that I did surgery on.
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Post by singleaction on Mar 4, 2020 6:57:52 GMT -5
I had a Moroni Win 1886 extra light from 2000 that developed light primer strikes after about 200 rounds. This was a common problem the Win supposedly fixed on later production.
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Post by taffin on Mar 4, 2020 10:07:50 GMT -5
The post 1992 Model 94 lever action rifles have a rebounding hammer and tang safety. I have read some reports of light hammer strikes. I don't know if these reports are in a rare minority or a prevalent problem. Does anyone have any experience with these 94"s they can share? Thanks HAVE .30-30; .357 MAGNUM, .45 COLT, .44 MAGNUM TRAPPERS--NEVER A PROBLEM
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Post by taffin on Mar 4, 2020 10:10:00 GMT -5
I had a Moroni Win 1886 extra light from 2000 that developed light primer strikes after about 200 rounds. This was a common problem the Win supposedly fixed on later production. OOPS FORGOT I ALREADY ANSWERED. AND I STILL HAVE THE.32 ALSO WHAT IS A MORONI? AN LDS RIFLE??
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Post by singleaction on Mar 25, 2020 23:58:34 GMT -5
I had a Moroni Win 1886 extra light from 2000 that developed light primer strikes after about 200 rounds. This was a common problem the Win supposedly fixed on later production. OOPS FORGOT I ALREADY ANSWERED. AND I STILL HAVE THE.32 ALSO WHAT IS A MORONI? AN LDS RIFLE?? That’s hilarious! Miroku. Spell check burned me again!
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Post by bigmuddy on Mar 28, 2020 9:54:44 GMT -5
My only rebounding hammer Winchester is a 356 Big Bore with the cross bolt safety. Never had a mis-fire. Action was stiff until I shot it quite a bit. Not as smooth as my pre-64’s but not bad now.
rWt, Never heard of or saw a Marlin with a rebounding hammer. Is this something new?
Dan
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Post by rWt on Mar 28, 2020 10:20:23 GMT -5
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