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Post by Markbo on Dec 28, 2019 1:31:35 GMT -5
Dick maybe you can clarify a bit. You state in your first post you just took a firmer grip, but the pic showing the target states you changed position? Which was it? A tighter grip or a changed position and if so... how?
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Post by foxtrapper on Dec 28, 2019 8:31:20 GMT -5
Love the 20 buck deer leather gloves from Home Depot. Pair them up with chopper mitts when it’s really cold
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Post by mart on Dec 28, 2019 12:40:48 GMT -5
David,
On your beeswax/mineral oil mix, if you don't mind sharing, how much beeswax to how much mineral oil? In a soup can I am imagining about 8 ounces of mineral oil. Thanks.
Mart
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Post by pleadthe2nd on Dec 28, 2019 13:45:38 GMT -5
I got a pair of all weather law enforcement gloves on amazon for around 16$, practiced with the and used them this year for deer hunting, found them to be comfortable, and gave me good grip on my slick grip panels as well, although I prefer bare hands these were quite nice in cold weather.
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Post by sixshot on Dec 28, 2019 15:52:15 GMT -5
Sorry guys that I haven't been back here to answer your questions. The targets were shot at 50 yds unless marked other wise. Markbo, I changed my grip after getting the leather gloves by tightening up my grip. Normally I shoot with a somewhat relaxed grip from the sandbags but with the gloves on & that first target it rapped my knuckles so I got a firm grip & the second target shot into a nice little cluster.
As for a follow up on my late season elk hunt that closes Tuesday. I haven't even been yet, I got a real bad case of the flu & nailed me hard, didn't even get dressed for 8 days, lose several pounds & got very little sleep. A rancher in that area was going to call me when he started seeing elk, or elk sign but when I got better & finally talked to him 2 Mountain Lions had moved into the elk herd & scattered them.
The local hounds men got both of the big cats but he said the elk are still north of where I can hunt. One evening he said a big herd was standing right on the highway. I'm probably done now, 18" of snow so access for me is almost zero, we'll just have to see how it plays out in the next few days.
Dick
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Post by tj3006 on Dec 30, 2019 21:42:58 GMT -5
I have been thinking about some shooting gloves ! The Idea of a Batting glove had not occurred to me, I need to try it, if only for Nostalgia ! its been 20 years since i hung up my cleats, i dearly loved to play fast pitch softball, back when men still played it ! ...tj3006
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Post by bamagreg on Dec 31, 2019 14:01:50 GMT -5
I have been thinking about some shooting gloves ! The Idea of a Batting glove had not occurred to me, I need to try it, if only for Nostalgia ! its been 20 years since i hung up my cleats, i dearly loved to play fast pitch softball, back when men still played it ! ...tj3006 When I was younger (about 40 years ago) batting gloves were the only thing besides work gloves that I had access to in rural Alabama. They actually work very well for shooting gloves.
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Post by jdoc on Jan 1, 2020 20:28:51 GMT -5
Batting gloves work great. Mine generally rip the outer seam between the thumb and forefinger on top side. Doesn't cause a problem for me. Then again I could quit shooting the cannons and the seam splitting would disappear.
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Post by wheelguns on Jan 1, 2020 20:33:11 GMT -5
I use padded handball gloves. They work great for the big boomers, and keep your hands warm in the field. I just cut off the tip of my trigger finger.
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Post by wildcatter on Jan 4, 2020 15:07:00 GMT -5
Pretty good shoot'n fer such a young man,, like riding a bike I guess! Them BFR's are shooters!
I talked with the custom shop at BFR a few months back when I was sending my (at the time) 475 Linebaugh in for a grip frame change from the Dragoon to the new "Banana Grip" which when I got it back, that is exactly what it was for me. I specified White Micarta and was told it would not be Micarta material but a white polymer material, but the Black was Micarta.
Prior to talking with them, I was going to have Jack Huntington do his grip frame mod but wanted the White Micarta over his supplied wood grips. He let me know that he was unable to acquire the Micarta Material in White, that for some reason it was not being produced lately? But let me know as I was also having the barrel bobbed and action work done that the new Bisley Grip ( a term I believe they use loosely) was a very good grip design and in his words, "one of the best" he had felt for handling the hotter loads I intended to punish myself with, and much cheaper as I was able the keep my old Dragoon grip frame to recover some of my cost.
So that was my take on the White Micarta from two reliable sources. I have heard rumors it was because of hazardous materials, but that is rumor! So I question if this is true, does the White require some chemical or ingredient that the Black doesn't? If it is true was there a much larger stockpile of true Paper Micarta than White? Is there any truth at all to the White Material, or could it just be that some large consumer somewhere has them running full production just to keep up with a product we as shooters no nothing about???
The only thing I am sure of is at the time I was talking with you Dick on the revolver I am referencing, the White Paper Micarta material was not available to any of the grip makers I contacted.
As for my experience with the BIG Frame Revolver, and the "Banana Grip" I to found it difficult to find a controllable hold, and very queer to anything I was used to. After having the Ruger in Super Blackhawk, and knowing it would do anything I could ever ask of a revolver, as well as fit me as I am well familiar with the Ruger Bisley grip I id not want to wrestle with custom dress and accommodating a grip I really did not care for. That as well as the oversized frame and weight that I found much not to my liking, to part company, and replace the revolver with a 480 again in the Ruger, or if I wanted the 475 just dish out the cash for another FA 83, another grip frame I an very satisfied with. I personally like to shoot ungloved, and like cell phones, computers, software and most other things I use today,, I hate change! I decided to stick with what I spent decades becoming familiar with and forget the hassle of beating myself up or trying to alter the way I have shot for over half a century.
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Post by wildcatter on Jan 4, 2020 15:29:59 GMT -5
I am no hero, but it has to be damn cold before I wear gloves, maybe why I am ate up with the arthritis I suffer with today. I do wear light fleece jerseys with a thin wool Merino Wool liner under them if have to have them, but usually shed them if around single digits or colder when I am shooting, hunting or just shooting on icy days. I fish ice out rivers for Steelhead and Walleye, never with gloves, have watched to many loose expensive outfits because of them. I also play on the hard water (when we have it ) without gloves the majority of the time. But I live in northern Ohio and gave a place in Michigan on the lake and am there more in the winter than summer because I love it, but sure ain't no one's hero!
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Post by sixshot on Jan 5, 2020 2:23:37 GMT -5
Wildcatter, I used to work & hunt with a guy like you, tough as nails! Many times I watched him lay down in the snow & work on a piece of equipment with bare hands & not much clothes on & never complain. I would have been crying! He grew up in Star Valley, Wyoming where the wind always blows & even in summer the nights can get pretty cold, I sure miss him, he died about 3 years ago, he was one tough old rooster.
Dick
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Post by cmillard on Jan 5, 2020 7:17:34 GMT -5
Fine shooting Dick!
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 5, 2020 10:02:45 GMT -5
David, On your beeswax/mineral oil mix, if you don't mind sharing, how much beeswax to how much mineral oil? In a soup can I am imagining about 8 ounces of mineral oil. Thanks. Mart ***** Mart.... I heat straight CLEAR MINERAL OIL in an 8 ounce soup can, perhaps 3/4-inch deep. It can be done on an electric burner. Over gas flame, depending on the stove, I may stand the can in a small cast iron skillet. Sprinkle shavings of BEESWAX into the heating oil. I stir the mixture with a cotton flannel patch of piece of lambswool clamped in long forceps. SURGICAL FORCEPS of various sizes has been an indispensable part of my gun kit since my early teens. Stir wax until it dissolves transparent. A small proportion of beeswax to mineral oil. Less wax for gloves and soft leather, more wax for water-molded holsters, thick cowhide belts, boots & shoes. You don’t want to soften firm water-molded leather. More wax helps conserve strength of leather, thus conserving the leather itself. I seldom measure ingredients when cooking: measure for waffles, etc., but when it comes to barbecue sauce, it’s strictly soul cooking, strictly by taste. I used soul cooking for certain kinds of blasting, as well, adjusting proportions of explosives by testing the exact rock or concrete to be demolished. If you don’t develop a feel for it you’ll never get it right. Beeswax adds important body to the oil, even for fine gloves made from deer, pigskin, goat, and elk. Once mix is fully dissolved, remove can from heat source and immediately apply to leather. Re-heat before mixture starts to congeal. I leave the flannel patch or lambswool in the can and wrap the can in plastic between uses. Ready to be heated and used again. Intervals between treatment are set according to climate and exposure of leather to use & environment. Leather can be washed with water. My antidote for mildew or mold calls for a small amount of vinegar in warm water, both sides of the leather, followed by rinse, then drying in strong sunlight. The leather should not smell of mildew. Never dry leather in an oven; it is too hot! David Bradshaw
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 5, 2020 10:56:30 GMT -5
Wildcatter....
Banana grip vs Bisley Your observation is correct, the handle BFR calls its “Bisley” grip is not a Bisley at all. If there is one feature which distinguishes grip frames originating with the Colt Bisley, it is the two backstrap screws concealed under the shoulders of the backstrap. Shooters have taken to calling it “the Banana.” Humorous, if not exactly complimentary. To call the BFR banana a Bisley is about as accurate as calling the BFR banana a Dragoon.
Gloves vs Bare Hands Sooner or later, nearly everyone in handgun silhouette pulled on a glove to shoot the revolver. Recoil management protection of anatomy enhance CONSISTENCY, and sharpshooting is built on consistency. My own experiments provided a costly education. Temperature and conditions control whether I wear gloves afield, simple as that. If you hunt the mountains with loose lambswool gloves, your offhand can snatch the glove off your gunhand as it sweeps to draw. If the revolver is in your gloved hand when game jumps, you’re stuck with shooting gloved----another argument against shooting game double action. If your veins are full of beaver grease, you may be able to hunt the snow at 15-degrees barehanded. Not me. And once hands get cold in cold weather, it takes forever to warm them, an activity which steals attention from tasks.
How much Squeeze? Persons who haven’t figured how much squeeze to apply need to shoot more. The shooting itself becomes an experiment: with activity, solutions suggest themselves.
There are no shortcuts to marksmanship. It takes less ammo to do things right. Nevertheless, it still requires ammo.
A heavy kicker requires more grip pressure than a gallery cartridge. Those who say “recoil doesn’t matter” should lie to themselves, but not to us. Recoil matters; how we breathe stand sight hold & squeeze matters. The one rule which doesn’t take kindly to violation continues: Don’t fight recoil. And grip which doesn’t not continue through FOLLOW THROUGH fights the gun. And loses. Squeeze with follow through rides recoil. And wins. David Bradshaw
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