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Post by bigbrowndog on Oct 23, 2019 10:21:56 GMT -5
Carl, as was said earlier, even if a scope is no longer made or you’re not happy with GB listings, don’t forget EBay. I’ve had very good luck finding deals there, and if it’s a good reputable company most will still warranty them.
That said, for out to a hundred do not forget a good 1x red dot. Beyond that it gets pretty tough, but with practice and the newer smaller dots getting hits is not impossible. We’ve used them on rifles out to 300 and 400 in competition.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 23, 2019 10:55:15 GMT -5
Another question to ask yourself is : do you intend to use the hunter as designed (able to remove scope and use iron sights and vice versa)? If so, there’s only a few scopes that will fit to allow you to zero your irons and use scope without moving/removing rear sight. To eliminate the issue without being scope specific, you can return the factor supplied rings to ruger and they will swap them out for medium or high. I’ve always went with the high so there’s absolutely no issue with any handgun scope and it gives you a little higher midrange trajectory for a longer point-blank zero. All that being said, I know the 2x Leupold will work with supplies rings and you can keep an iron sight zero.[/quote]
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Ruger ships the SBH Hunter/Bisley Hunter with MEDIUM HEIGHT RINGS. As you state, Ruger will swap heights. Ruger rings are available in blue and stainless, 1-inch or 30mm, LOW, MEDIUM, and HIGH. With medium height rings, I screw the rear sight to bottom detent. If in doubt as to elevation setting, I count clicks down to BOTTOM DETENT. It is then an easy matter to crank up with thumbnail. I lube adjustable iron sights with chassis grease. Motor oil is fine, but migrates----which helps windage adjustment. The Ruger ELEVATION SCREW has 16-clicks per revolution. Change from 8-click screw made around 1983, specifically for IHMSA silhouette. The 8-click screw was phased out. I like the 8-click screw as more consistently uniform of adjustment, although 1-click could take you over the ram @ 200 meters----it was close. (Tried in vain to get Ruger to offer a better rear sight.) David Bradshaw
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Oct 23, 2019 11:10:02 GMT -5
FOR DEER AND SIMILAR SIZED GAME, AT RANGES BEYOND 50 YARDS, I HAVE GIVEN UP ON 2X PISTOL SCOPES, NOT ENUFF MAGIFICATION FOR ME. FOR BIGGER GAME THE 2X IS GREAT BUT IT BORDERS ON USELESS BEYOND 50 YARDS ON DEER SIZED ANIMALS. JUST MY EXPERIENCE. I agree 100%. The 2x almost looks farther than with just your eyes 😂 I imagine that many of you know this, but the apparent magnification of a Leupold 2X scope can be changed somewhat by screwing the eyepiece in or out.
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Post by zeus on Oct 23, 2019 11:34:38 GMT -5
I agree 100%. The 2x almost looks farther than with just your eyes 😂 I imagine that many of you know this, but the apparent magnification of a Leupold 2X scope can be changed somewhat by screwing the eyepiece in or out. Yep but still prefer the 4x for my eyes.
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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 23, 2019 11:49:50 GMT -5
FWIW I run 2X for off hand and 4x and more on guns I plan to shoot from a rest. Off hand the 2X is good on steady days. On jittery days Burris made a 1X that works better for me.
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Post by KRal on Oct 23, 2019 17:27:17 GMT -5
Sorry about the ring height mixup - thanks for the correction Mr. Bradshaw. The counting clicks you mentioned is definitely an alternative with some scopes, but some scopes require total removal of rear sight.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 23, 2019 19:38:23 GMT -5
Magnification does wonders when you can use it. On a jump gun, UNITY MAGNIFICATION (1X) gets on quicker. As members note 2x appears to slightly shrink the image. Without a buttstock to guide, the revolver needs all the help it can get. That help is called practice, and serious dry fire counts as practice. It’s easy to lose a moving target in the woods. Simply by presenting a brand new world, magnification separates the target image from the world of the naked eye. This is not the same as tunnel vision, which concentrates focus by excluding distraction. No, the scope with magnification can hide the target in plain sight, just by packing your brain with the same image in two sizes. When the target is running, the landscape becomes a waterfall. The closer the target, the more abstract the landscape.
Low magnification, we’re talking about 2X, provides greater depth of field and a more forgiving EYE RELIEF. Beneficial to speed and out-of-position sighting. Any worthwhile scope affords better sitting around dawn and dusk. A hunter holding scoped revolver up in a tree stand has a sight for beginning & end of day, when irons may be invisible, or so devoid of contrast as to not align. The iron sight hunter with open rear sight suffers the unconscious temptation to raise the front sight----just to see it----causing the sweetest bullet sail over target. Even under tree-mottled light at High Noon, the hunter may lose sight of his irons, raise the front and shoot high.
The electrical RED DOT reticle was designed at unity (1X)----no magnification----posting same image in scope as around it, unlimited eye relief and, in the one’s I’ve used, no parallax. I’ve had the battery die, not on a frozen mountain; rather; while fixing to sight a beautiful buck in shirtsleeve Texas. And I’ve had expensive electrics die that didn’t have the guts. Max Prasac trusts the Ultradot big time. The first generation Aimpoint featured rugged external adjustments and I particularly liked it on a Redhawk. An electric reticle hastens the approach of darkness, closing the shooter's iris.
We give up a lot to hunt with a revolver... leaving us alone with just a SIXGUN and SATISFACTION. David Bradshaw
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Post by Joe S. on Oct 23, 2019 19:40:21 GMT -5
There’s a nice Burris for sale in the Lounge.
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Post by Snyd on Oct 23, 2019 20:04:33 GMT -5
....We give up a lot to hunt with a revolver... leaving us alone with just a SIXGUN and SATISFACTION. David Bradshaw ...and therein lies the crux of the matter
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Post by crazycarl on Oct 23, 2019 21:39:19 GMT -5
Thanks, fellas. Gun will be shot mostly offhand, maybe 'rested' on the rail of my tree stand. Very unlikely to have a 100yd shot on game where we hunt. Doubt I'll be swapping the scope on & off, but like the idea of being able to remove the scope & use irons if the scope goes down.
Have only fired a few rounds through a scoped gun (a friend's .44 Redhawk wearing a 2x Leupold) & enjoyed it, but this is all new to me. A fixed 2x seems like the logical place to start.
I didn't realize Leupold's warranty was so good, so that settles that. Time to see if I can find to find a gently used FX-II in silver.
ETA- found a decent deal on a Leupy M8 2x on evilbay. Now to save up my pennies & order a Ringler Wyoming Combination rig.
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Post by JM on Oct 24, 2019 9:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by crazycarl on Oct 24, 2019 9:29:21 GMT -5
Thanks. I saw that, but decided if I was going to buy on the used market, I wanted to go with a known quantity. Not knocking Burris (or that particular scope), but for the difference in price, going with the Leupold was a no-brainer IMO.
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Post by whitworth on Oct 24, 2019 9:51:17 GMT -5
If the use will be under 100 yards and offhand, I would sincerely consider a red dot sight. Much easier and quicker to acquire and not saddled with eye relief.
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Post by crazycarl on Oct 24, 2019 10:11:29 GMT -5
If the use will be under 100 yards and offhand, I would sincerely consider a red dot sight. Much easier and quicker to acquire and not saddled with eye relief. I had considered that for this gun, but my eyesight is bad enough that I don't have the confidence to take a shot at game past 50yds without magnification. Plus, I just really want to try my hand at a scoped revolver. I'll give this setup a go & see what happens. I figure worst case, I can go back to irons or switch to a RDS & best case, I'll leave the BisHunter scoped & give a RDS a go on my 5.5" Bisley. PS- I got to visit & hang out with Billy & Michael from B&M last weekend. Great guys, but trying to digest even a sliver of Michael's encyclopedic knowledge made my head hurt. Awesome 'dead zoo', though. Wow.
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Post by bula on Oct 24, 2019 10:18:54 GMT -5
"Dead zoo", never heard the term but like it ! Will have to careful of company it gets used in. Sigh. Got a Leupold 2x from BBD a while back and mounted on a SBH Hunter 44mag.. Still getting used to optics but know it is in my best interest going forward. Age..
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