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Post by magnumwheelman on Oct 19, 2019 14:34:38 GMT -5
Cleaning it up for list 2... can’t find Brno on it
It has what looks like CAI STALB V1 on the barrel half way down on the bottom in really small print
Has in the same very small print under serial 12081 on the side of the receiver SVAZARM Y
This rifle has 3 leaf sights for 25, 50, and 100 meters... the stock has a straighter stock... not the curved down butt style, and has a Schnabel fore end, and is magazine fed... receiver is machined / grooved for a scope mount and has a squiggling texture machined on the receiver between the scope grooves... thinking this is 60’s vintage, but that is a guess
It came to me with a Kollmorgen bear cub 2 3/4 X scope with engraved rings... which it still wears
Any thoughts??? Could this be an old military trainer turned sporting rifle???
BTW... the front mounting screw goes into a block dovetailed on the front bottom of the receiver that dovetail block easily slides side to side ( maybe to keep stresses down / centered in the stock channel )?
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Post by mobjack on Oct 19, 2019 17:34:07 GMT -5
That sounds like a Century Arms International import from when they were still in Vermont. They would import all kinds of military surplus stuff. It could well have been an old military trainer, but that is just a WAG (Wild-Ass-Guess). Though it could just be an old European .22 sporting rifle.
Mobjack You can't have too many .22s.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Oct 21, 2019 5:56:09 GMT -5
no importers mark on the rifle... unless they are the stampings pictured looks like this... top rifle in this rack
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Post by magnumwheelman on Oct 21, 2019 6:09:19 GMT -5
any help would be appreciated
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Oct 21, 2019 6:40:04 GMT -5
I like mobjack's WAG. Doesn't sound too wild to me. No idea who made it.
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Post by z1r on Oct 21, 2019 9:25:08 GMT -5
I think it is a BRNO as the svazarm is a Czech paramilitary organization. Don't think you got a Chinese (Norinco) copy.
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Post by awp101 on Oct 21, 2019 12:03:52 GMT -5
no importers mark on the rifle... unless they are the stampings pictured CAI STALB VT is the import stamp. That's the old style before the ATF started requiring more info so that puts the import date between 1968 and the early to mid 2000s (I don't remember when the ATF changed the requirements). Rimfire Central would probably be your best bet for info. My first guess is Czech, second possibility is Yugoslavia.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Oct 21, 2019 14:27:24 GMT -5
Thanks guys... It seems real high end, although the stock has the comfortable feel of an old milsurp... the bolt fit, sliding dovetail stock mounts, 3 leaf sight... no idea who put the Kollmorgan scope with engraved rings on??? might have to keep it a little more & shoot it, to see how the accuracy is...
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Post by magnumwheelman on Oct 21, 2019 15:44:52 GMT -5
My retired tool & die buddy says he has a book around there somewhere that lists the proof marks to the makers... may have to go that route to pin things down further
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Post by magnumwheelman on Oct 22, 2019 8:36:14 GMT -5
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Post by nolongcolt on Oct 22, 2019 11:31:58 GMT -5
The rifle at top of the rack is a BRNO model 1, I have one just like it. Its the first model .22, the forerunner of the 452 of today. Mine is marked Model 1 and if that one isn't perhaps it was a run for the military as training rifles. I am sure its a BRNO though.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Oct 23, 2019 15:46:16 GMT -5
Learning a lot about this... since this is not marked BRNO, or model #1... it required a deeper search... I joined a thread on BRNO #1's on RFC... found out I need to see if there is a "tgf" under the front scope ring... if so...
"Supposedly stands for ""Tschechische Gewehr Fabrik" - a German code for Czech arms - much debate on the origins of these. Likely a 25,000 rifle contract to the East German Military."
Thanks found reference that that "tgf" guns were contracted for the DDR...
DDR = Deutsche Demokratische Republik - 1949 - 1990 (Former East Germany)
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Post by magnumwheelman on Oct 23, 2019 16:41:24 GMT -5
Yes the “tgf ” is there under the front ring... pictures later
in reality this could be a 1940’s rifle???
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 23, 2019 17:33:38 GMT -5
That sounds like a Century Arms International import from when they were still in Vermont. They would import all kinds of military surplus stuff. It could well have been an old military trainer, but that is just a WAG (Wild-Ass-Guess). Though it could just be an old European .22 sporting rifle.
Mobjack You can't have too many .22s.
***** mobjack.... good catch. The initial slipped by me----until I read your post. The gunrunner----aka importer----Century Arms International, St. Albans, Vermont. The post-WW II trend in picking up battlefields started with Sam Cummings, attached during the war to the Office of Strategic Services. Probably armed half of South America. The 1950’s and 60’s saw a flood of surplus small arms, great for kids getting into quality rifles, primarily bolt action, at a tenth or fifth the cost of a Winchester or Remington. Spawned, also, two generations of butchers, demolishing military rifles into sporters. These surplus arms became stepping stones for beaucoup young hunters and marksmen. Czechoslovakian arms rank right up there for design, metallurgy, and manufacturing. Wonder whether these .22s might be found in a Stoeger’s catalog, or other resource book of the period. David Bradshaw
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Post by paul105 on Oct 23, 2019 17:48:23 GMT -5
It's a beauty. If it were mine, i'd keep it.
Paul
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