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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:02:22 GMT -5
Dave, I may have to go back to the H110 loads. Tried the 4227 @ 100 yards early last week, pretty dismal (6 inch groups). Funny, both loads shot ok @ 50 yards.
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Post by dave19113 on May 27, 2019 11:08:22 GMT -5
Dave, I may have to go back to the H110 loads. Tried the 4227 @ 100 yards early last week, pretty dismal (6 inch groups). Funny, both loads shot ok @ 50 yards. As soon as I get home tonight Ill get you the load data. I do remember shooting it at 100 with good results just did not remember actual group size.
Also though, I use this as a woods gun, most of my shots on deer are 75 or less
Will update you though.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:40:59 GMT -5
K, will be looking for the data and appreciate it.
Most of my hunting will be inside of 75 too. This is mainly just a rainy day rig. On blue sky days I'd rather hunt with blue steel and walnut... That said, I really did want to be able to expand the capabilities of my small 44 carbine collection with one gun that could get it done out to about 135 yards because there are a few spots where it might come in handy. I don't currently have confidence in the 77/44 to do that, but maybe at some point it will get there. The Deerfield is up to it, but obviously lacks the all weather aspect. I am also now rethinking the 2x7 scope on the 77/44. If it's a 50-75 yard woods gun a 1x3 Weaver (like the Deerfield wears) or a 2.5x Leupold ultralight would be a more compact, lighter option.
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Post by dave19113 on May 27, 2019 18:30:27 GMT -5
So here is my load:
240gr Nosler JSP or XTP HP
H110 24.00gr
Win primer
1.6 OAL Lee crimp 1 turn
This load produced repeatable 3 shot groups of 1/2 inch at 50 yards and 1" groups at 75 yards
Hope this helps
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 19:27:17 GMT -5
So here is my load: 240gr Nosler JSP or XTP HP H110 24.00gr Win primer 1.6 OAL Lee crimp 1 turn This load produced repeatable 3 shot groups of 1/2 inch at 50 yards and 1" groups at 75 yards Hope this helps Thanks Dave. That's the load I previously tried, down to the primer type! It did do well at 50 yards with a couple of groups tthat the 3 rounds were touching. Other groups were 1.5"+. I need to shoot it at 100. Did you happen to chronograph it?
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Post by dave19113 on May 28, 2019 8:19:40 GMT -5
So here is my load: 240gr Nosler JSP or XTP HP H110 24.00gr Win primer 1.6 OAL Lee crimp 1 turn This load produced repeatable 3 shot groups of 1/2 inch at 50 yards and 1" groups at 75 yards Hope this helps Thanks Dave. That's the load I previously tried, down to the primer type! It did do well at 50 yards with a couple of groups tthat the 3 rounds were touching. Other groups were 1.5"+. I need to shoot it at 100. Did you happen to chronograph it? Not out of my 77/44, just revolvers.
I can run some loads over chrono next week. The one thing I did notice was I had to really let gun cool down.
My 77/44 only shot well cold. Once barrel heated up it was game over on accuracy untl cool down
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 8:33:52 GMT -5
Yeah, good point on the hot barrel. It's already Summer in the South. I'd need ice packs to cool between shots now.
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Post by dave19113 on May 28, 2019 8:55:49 GMT -5
Yeah, good point on the hot barrel. It's already Summer in the South. I'd need ice packs to cool between shots now. Yea, same here is Va for me. I normally just have a few guns for testing so by the time the rotation comes to the 77/44 it was cool already.
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Post by taffin on May 29, 2019 18:50:54 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone here has experience with the 77/44 (or 357). Took my new stainless 44 out for a test run this weekend and wasn't pleased with the initial results. The rifle is shooting 50 yard groups arou d 1 1/2 - 3 inches. It seemed to really throw shots when the barrel warmed. Scope is an old 2x4 Bushnell Elite 3200 that has been fine on other guns. Also couldn't get enough elevation to zero the irons at 25 yards. Come on Ruger, really? Also, the trigger must really make that damn Ruger lawyer smile. Tried two loads with IMR4227 that shoot great in my Deerfield (and 94). Loads were 240 and 300 grain Hornady XTP. Plan to try a few more loads but thought someone here might have a suggestion on what it may take to make it shoot. I'd be happy with 3 MOA and no wild a$$ fliers. If I can get it there she'll make a great rainy day hunting rifle. I HAVE FOUND THE 77/.357 TO BE VERY PICKY ABOUT LOADS. BLACK HILLS 158 JHP @ 1673 FPS; HORNADY 158 JHP @ 1423 FPS; AND SPEER 158 GDHP @1609 FPS ALL SHOT GREAT .
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 21:12:49 GMT -5
I HAVE FOUND THE 77/.357 TO BE VERY PICKY ABOUT LOADS. BLACK HILLS 158 JHP @ 1673 FPS; HORNADY 158 JHP @ 1423 FPS; AND SPEER 158 GDHP @1609 FPS ALL SHOT GREAT . Thanks John. Maybe I just haven't fed it what it likes yet. Still trying to figure out why it shot well after the mods at 50 yards but on the next trip it was running 6"@ 100. Should be able to get back out with it again soon.
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Post by longrange2 on Jul 9, 2019 20:21:04 GMT -5
I've got the .357 version and it is very accurate. The Remington 125 JHPs I buy at WalMart chronograph at over 2100 fps out of it too.
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Post by warhawk on Jul 16, 2019 20:55:10 GMT -5
Compare the SAAMI specs for the 44 Mag handgun and rifle, they are different. The 44 rifles have ridiculously slow twist rates, and oversized bores. I’ve had several 44 Mag rifles over the years, Marlin, Browning, and Rossi. The Rossi is the most accurate, that tells me something.
When I was still a teenager I had a Ruger 44 Carbine. I remembered that it would not shoot 240 grain bullets well (remember that twist rate) but grouped much tighter with Federal 180 JHPs. They were also available in 20 round boxes (cheaper) and this is what I shot in it. Killed my first deer with it, through and through lung shot. So the bullet did fine on that shot anyway.
I’ve always figured the 180-210 grain hollow point would be to lightly constructed to hold together out of a rifle and never messed with them. I recently picked up some Speer 200 JHP bonded core bullets. Time to see if these will make a 44 rifle shoot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 21:52:32 GMT -5
Fired a few groups with the Ruger again today. Basically, the trend I am seeing is it won't group when hot. From a cold barrel, many times the first 2 rounds are touching and the third opens up the group a bit. The next group is all over the place as the barrel really get warm. For cold weather hunting this wouldn't be an issue, but I would like to get it right.
The question is, what's causing this? Non stress relieved barrel? Light barrel that isn't free floated?
I'd really like to get it squared away.
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Post by msalm on Aug 7, 2019 20:46:43 GMT -5
Well if you haven’t bedded the action or free-floated the barrel that’s where I would start. If it goes to hell when warming up it MIGHT help to full length bed the barrel. That’s not widely accepted nowadays but I’ve seen some older rifles treated as such shoot incredibly well. Last step would be to just rebarrel with a quality tube. Oh, and re-crown current barrel for the heck of it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 19:25:48 GMT -5
Well if you haven’t bedded the action or free-floated the barrel that’s where I would start. If it goes to hell when warming up it MIGHT help to full length bed the barrel. That’s not widely accepted nowadays but I’ve seen some older rifles treated as such shoot incredibly well. Last step would be to just rebarrel with a quality tube. Oh, and re-crown current barrel for the heck of it. Haven't messed with the 77/44 in a while but it got restocked today. Went with a standard Ruger walnut stock. Plastic just doesn't do it for me. I'll shoot it first, but free floating the wood stock would be quick and easy. Full bedding a bit more involved but easy enough too.
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