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Post by Alaskan454 on Jan 31, 2019 12:25:11 GMT -5
I wish Ruger would build the Bowen GP44 as a factory gun. I do as well. Note that Hamilton will always build a better one than you'd get straight from Ruger, but it would still be nice to have the more cost effective option. I think Ruger would be able to sell quite a few if they offered a GP480 with moonclips from the factory. I recently spoke with TK Custom and although they haven't done a 480 yet, they confirmed it is possible. One of the machinists at work kindly profiled a Starline 480 case for me in the EDM so I could send TK the dimensions. Bottom line, if Ruger offered one it would be the baddest 6 shot revolver on the market and I'd buy one.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 31, 2019 12:55:59 GMT -5
I wish Ruger would build the Bowen GP44 as a factory gun. I do as well. Note that Hamilton will always build a better one than you'd get straight from Ruger, but it would still be nice to have the more cost effective option. I think Ruger would be able to sell quite a few if they offered a GP480 with moonclips from the factory. I recently spoke with TK Custom and although they haven't done a 480 yet, they confirmed it is possible. One of the machinists at work kindly profiled a Starline 480 case for me in the EDM so I could send TK the dimensions. Bottom line, if Ruger offered one it would be the baddest 6 shot revolver on the market and I'd buy one. ***** Let me get this straight.... a GP-100 six shot .480 Ruger? With moon clips for this fat rimmed case? Now, my recollection of Ruger test protocol fires each chamber with a proof load 40% over SAAMI pressure. Granted, a protocol not followed by all other revolver makers. Will there be a New Ruger Only Load, this time with less pressure, so that it may be fired in a J-frame Airweight .480. And there is the matter of a fast reload. Ole Griz, dipped with six .480 slugs and prone to irritation, will now be convinced to desist by six more. Seems to me that tactical sobriety might substitute the S&W X-frame .500 S&W Mag, or a pump shotgun full of depleted uranium meatballs, or the French 12 gauge load of a big fat steel ball bearing, given to outlandish penetration with a lagniappe of ricochet to ice the cake. Although it is not a GP-100 frame, and with Bill, Jr., and Eric Unger no longer at Strum, Ruger, their brief consideration of Unger’s titanium Alaskan might be revived.... recoil and all. David Bradshaw
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Post by Alaskan454 on Jan 31, 2019 14:00:00 GMT -5
I do as well. Note that Hamilton will always build a better one than you'd get straight from Ruger, but it would still be nice to have the more cost effective option. I think Ruger would be able to sell quite a few if they offered a GP480 with moonclips from the factory. I recently spoke with TK Custom and although they haven't done a 480 yet, they confirmed it is possible. One of the machinists at work kindly profiled a Starline 480 case for me in the EDM so I could send TK the dimensions. Bottom line, if Ruger offered one it would be the baddest 6 shot revolver on the market and I'd buy one. ***** Let me get this straight.... a GP-100 six shot .480 Ruger? With moon clips for this fat rimmed case? Now, my recollection of Ruger test protocol fires each chamber with a proof load 40% over SAAMI pressure. Granted, a protocol not followed by all other revolver makers. Will there be a New Ruger Only Load, this time with less pressure, so that it may be fired in a J-frame Airweight .480. And there is the matter of a fast reload. Ole Griz, dipped with six .480 slugs and prone to irritation, will now be convinced to desist by six more. Seems to me that tactical sobriety might substitute the S&W X-frame .500 S&W Mag, or a pump shotgun full of depleted uranium meatballs, or the French 12 gauge load of a big fat steel ball bearing, given to outlandish penetration with a lagniappe of ricochet to ice the cake. Although it is not a GP-100 frame, and with Bill, Jr., and Eric Unger no longer at Strum, Ruger, their brief consideration of Unger’s titanium Alaskan might be revived.... recoil and all. David Bradshaw Mr. Bradshaw, the GP designation is what Bowen Classic Arms uses for their conversions of a Super Redhawk Alaskan to a Standard Redhawk profile. I certainly agree the 480 Ruger would not fit in a GP100!
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Post by leftysixgun on Jan 31, 2019 15:47:24 GMT -5
I cant see the 480 fitting in a GP either. Ill say first, I dont know all the ins and outs of conversions. But the GP is in 44spl is having problems at the forcing cone, some have cracked correct? I see this being a bigger problem since the barrel would be thinner correct?
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Post by warhawk on Jan 31, 2019 17:40:31 GMT -5
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Post by toddb on Jan 31, 2019 22:52:24 GMT -5
I clicked on the first link about an hour and a half ago and just now remembered what I was doing when I went to Mr. Bowen’s site.
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Post by bula on Feb 1, 2019 9:13:39 GMT -5
Even the moderators high jacking now, sigh.. LOL !
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Post by dougader on Feb 1, 2019 13:44:46 GMT -5
The Bowen GP-44 is, as explained above, built on the Ruger SRH frame. Hamilton has built this "GP" in 475 and 500 Linebaugh. I wanted one in 480 Ruger, but found it cost prohibitive and figured a poor mans's version with a 480 SRH simply cut down to 4" or 5" would suit me just as well. www.bowenclassicarms.com/workshop.html#TheRealRugerRedhawk
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Post by bula on Feb 4, 2019 11:15:07 GMT -5
So I've lost momentum again on this wanting of an Alaskan. My 2 ATV's went in for rare servicing and the years are catching up with them too. They just sucked enough outta my credit union slush fund to buy an Alaskan and a holster and..sigh, bleep. The glimmer of hope, the carrot on the end of the stick, am moving forward on accessing one of my pensions and pulling the separate 401 type account that I had besides. In rounding of this number and that, maybe "loose change" enough to cover an Alaskan or snubby M69 yet. A retirement but not retiring gift to me. So with this new hope, lets dwell on the the sticky case/extraction issue some more. By now, root cause has to have been found by someone here even if Ruger is still doing the by guess and by golly routine. Why the trouble of getting 6 empty 480 hulls outta a SHR cylinder ? Remember somebody mentioning one manufacturers brass was worse than others. All my brass here is hornady.
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Post by firedude on Feb 4, 2019 18:39:29 GMT -5
I just shot mine again Saturday. Still very sticky extraction. That is with Medium loaded ammo and Starline brass. I can forget about Hornady brass or heavy loads. I would need to hammer out shells one at a time. Gun is very accurate and fun to shoot. Six times.... I will probably end up sending it back yet again. This gun was made last year by the way.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Feb 4, 2019 20:43:23 GMT -5
Mine ejects normally... With medium loads... I've not tryed 475 level loads...
Without witnessing the difficult extraction, it's pretty tough to diagnose
Could be rough or out of spec chambers, Incomplete or inconsistent hardening, alloying issues on the cylinder material... I'm thinking they went to the special ( was it "Carpenter" steel ) after having issues ( was this why they went to the 5 chamber cylinders, during development )
I think they work, when everything is right
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Post by bula on Feb 5, 2019 8:55:13 GMT -5
Has anyone measured their chambers ? Some getting out small ? Poorly, roughly finished ? Am hesitant to buy another new Ruger with well known issues. Firedude mentions that his is recent production, last year. The problem ongoing, unsolved. Groan.
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Post by rug480 on Feb 6, 2019 23:42:07 GMT -5
Had a 2003 SRH which had real rough chambers, hotter loads were sticky. My super 2018 SBH had mirror smooth chambers but that’s also only 1 v 6.... regret letting her go.
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Post by magpouch on Feb 7, 2019 5:56:16 GMT -5
I have had no issues with extracting in my .480 SRH, however I haven't loaded much off the starting loads yet if that means much.
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Post by bula on Feb 7, 2019 6:40:10 GMT -5
That was my next thought, is this an Alaskan thing or a SRH thing or both ? Haven't heard of the SRH's having an issue with 480 extraction.
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