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Post by snakereaper on Oct 30, 2018 6:52:36 GMT -5
Are the coated cast bullets any good to keep from leading? Like the Missouri Keith 240 grain cast hi tel coated with a beveled edge. for the 44 mag. and how good if a hunting bullet would this be?
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Post by wheelguns on Oct 30, 2018 7:48:02 GMT -5
It all depends on why you are getting lead. If you have thread choke, the coating won’t help. If you have a lube issue, yes it might help. I think all keith style bullets are suitable for hunting, with well placed shots.
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Post by contender on Oct 30, 2018 9:00:34 GMT -5
Do a little research around here. A lot of us powder coat our own cast bullets,, with excellent results. If leading is an issue with lubed bullets,, you may have other problems. Bullet size, thread choke, wrong alloy, too fast,,, etc. Coating is not the cure for other problems. It works as a lube,, and adds a wee amount of harder exterior shell. Diagnose your leading issue first. Slug the bore. Measure the throats of each chamber. Match them correctly. Work on the alloy. Load according to established charts. Don't expect cast to perform like jacketed.
And for your last question,,, MANY, MANY game animals have fallen to cast 240 Keith type bullets.
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Post by snakereaper on Oct 30, 2018 9:54:55 GMT -5
ok thank y'all for info. I was just thinking about giving the Missouri cast coated a try . Never used any coated bullets .Im not having leading problems in the gun that i was thinkng about trying them in.
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Post by Encore64 on Oct 30, 2018 10:22:26 GMT -5
I use various Missouri Coated Bullets with great success.
Do suggest you give them a try as you probably will too.
Really like their 32 and 38 Caliber Wadcutters seated long.
Keep us posted if you do decide to order and try some. SNS Casting also has some great offerings.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Oct 30, 2018 12:35:16 GMT -5
Are the coated cast bullets any good to keep from leading? Like the Missouri Keith 240 grain cast hi tel coated with a beveled edge. for the 44 mag. and how good if a hunting bullet would this be? Step one is to measure your cylinder throats and correct them if need be. Step two is to shoot the correct size bullet. You can’t measure either accurately with your calipers. I have a standing offer to measure your throats and bullets at no charge save postage.
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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 31, 2018 7:53:44 GMT -5
No coated bullets here. I understand the run fast shoot fast guys like them over straight lubed because they don't smoke. I don't run or shoot fast. Go to a Precision Pistol match and see how many coated bullets you see in the hands of master and high master shooters. We don't like them simply because they won't shoot as well as we need them to shoot.
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Post by sixshot on Oct 31, 2018 13:19:07 GMT -5
Stan, are you guys shooting jacketed & cast? Also is the cast & lubed shooting better than the cast & coated? Haven't seen this addressed from you bullseye shooters, interesting.
Dick
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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 31, 2018 18:21:10 GMT -5
We shoot lubed and sized cast bullets and jacketed... Zero's swaged bullets are smiled upon too. A properly sized and lubed cast or swaged bullet will shoot with a good jacketed bullet out of the right gun.
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Post by edk on Oct 31, 2018 18:28:45 GMT -5
Good to know powder coated bullets should be good for 7 yards
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Post by sixshot on Oct 31, 2018 20:28:52 GMT -5
So Stan, if I understand you right both jacketed & regular cast & lubed bullets are out shooting powder coated bullets in precision shooting? I know that powder coating is fairly new but maybe it isn't as accurate as regular lube, you guys would know. Have you or any of your bullseye friends came to any conclusions why? Thanks.
Dick
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 31, 2018 21:56:10 GMT -5
No coated bullets here. I understand the run fast shoot fast guys like them over straight lubed because they don't smoke. I don't run or shoot fast. Go to a Precision Pistol match and see how many coated bullets you see in the hands of master and high master shooters. We don't like them simply because they won't shoot as well as we need them to shoot. ***** Stan.... the inaccuracy of Powder Coat? Try 5x5=2.0-inches @ 100 yards. Or, 4x4=1.8-inches @ 100 yards. Or. 5x5=4.6-inches @ 200 yards. The bullet: cast Bradshaw-Martin 194 grain SWC Gas Check, Powder Coated; seated over 18.5/IMR 4227 in Remington .357 Maximum brass. Revolver: factory Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum 10-1/2”, 1:16 RH, Ruger iron sights. 5x5 shots into 2-inches @ 100 yards draws down to 5x5 into 0.5-inch @ 25 yards. 5x5 shots into 4.6-inches @ 200 yards draws down to 0.575-inch @ 25 yards. Maybe if we fit the pistol with a scope we could prove them Powder Coat bullets accurate! Fortunately, I don’t have to shoot against the Bullseye Boys, nor the men & women of Bench Rest, David Bradshaw
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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 31, 2018 22:21:33 GMT -5
Don't know about long range and revolver stuff. Can tell that shooting 1911s built by the best gunsmiths on the planet at 50 yards... NOBODY shoots coated bullets. May be as simple as properly preparing the volume of bullets required to shoot a 180 round match a couple of time a month, and an equal amount of practice ammo on a regular basis, that proper coating bullets is too time consuming. I'm not spending any time fooling with it. Magnus Bullet Company provides hard cast lubed bullets that will shoot as good as the best factory jacketed wadcutter. Of course our guns only shoot 2 inches, give or take, at 50 yards all day long.
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Post by AxeHandle on Nov 1, 2018 6:42:08 GMT -5
May be value added at this point to talk more about "coating." The term "powder coated" in my old head means a dusting of some sort of graphite based compound seen on hollow base wadcutters. This is not what the term "coating" means these days. Don't know what the new "coating" is but it looks like a plastic..
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Post by edk on Nov 1, 2018 7:20:01 GMT -5
May be value added at this point to talk more about "coating." Agreed, and specifically how it may relate to accuracy vs standard lubed lead slugs. My tongue-in-cheek comment about seven yard accuracy was in hopes of stimulating conversation on the topic. Coated bullets have been talked up on another popular forum for years but the accuracy subject has not been exhaustively dealt with. It seems that the internal ballistic advantages are well known but external not so much. Therefore I had not yet taken the plunge. So perhaps a discussion on this forum could change that.
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