|
Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 13, 2018 10:51:53 GMT -5
It has not been mentioned, but let me address the "In the stress of the moment you won't have time to see your sights" crowd.
That is a function of training. I like this analogy. Can you tie your shoes? Can you tie your shoes with the lights out? Can you tie your shoes with your clothes on fire? The important thing to understand is that tying your shoes is still the same if your clothes are on fire. It's right there in front of you. You just have to weed out all the things that are keeping you from seeing what you need to see to deliver your shot accurately.
|
|
|
Post by azshaun on Jul 13, 2018 10:54:38 GMT -5
It has not been mentioned, but let me address the "In the stress of the moment you won't have time to see your sights" crowd. That is a function of training. I like this analogy. Can you tie your shoes? Can you tie your shoes with the lights out? Can you tie your shoes with your clothes on fire? The important thing to understand is that tying your shoes is still the same if your clothes are on fire. It's right there in front of you. You just have to weed out all the things that are keeping you from seeing what you need to see to deliver your shot accurately. To be fair, if my clothes were on fire, my shoes are the least of my troubles. Unless I am in a Die Hard situation and they just ‘shot the glass.’
|
|
|
Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 13, 2018 10:57:36 GMT -5
It has not been mentioned, but let me address the "In the stress of the moment you won't have time to see your sights" crowd. That is a function of training. I like this analogy. Can you tie your shoes? Can you tie your shoes with the lights out? Can you tie your shoes with your clothes on fire? The important thing to understand is that tying your shoes is still the same if your clothes are on fire. It's right there in front of you. You just have to weed out all the things that are keeping you from seeing what you need to see to deliver your shot accurately. To be fair, if my clothes were on fire, my shoes are the least of my troubles. Unless I am in a Die Hard situation and they just ‘shot the glass.’ I would have used Hair. As in hair on fire. But I'm getting kind of bald....
|
|
|
Post by squigz on Jul 13, 2018 11:24:03 GMT -5
It has not been mentioned, but let me address the "In the stress of the moment you won't have time to see your sights" crowd. That is a function of training. I like this analogy. Can you tie your shoes? Can you tie your shoes with the lights out? Can you tie your shoes with your clothes on fire? The important thing to understand is that tying your shoes is still the same if your clothes are on fire. It's right there in front of you. You just have to weed out all the things that are keeping you from seeing what you need to see to deliver your shot accurately. I didn't know Crocs had laces?
|
|
|
Post by sheriff on Jul 13, 2018 11:56:31 GMT -5
I guess my old antique 'point shooting' method will just hafta do since my boots don't have laces........ ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
|
|
lah
.30 Stingray
Posts: 427
|
Post by lah on Jul 13, 2018 12:14:07 GMT -5
The two things I find most important is follow thru, and a consistent grip, I find that a consistent grip is one of the most important things to place shots in the same location on any target. You cannot shoot good groups without repeating you hold. This really shows up shooting rifle groups at a 1000 yards. It also shows up shooting handguns. With the standard SA grip it seems harder for me to do this than with any other handgun. And follow through for me is the sights not moving as the hammer falls. My Blackhawk is hard to hold still when that hammer turns loose & hard to hold as it goes though a longer lock time than my S&W DA sixguns.
|
|
|
Post by sixshot on Jul 13, 2018 12:15:14 GMT -5
First off I would say shoot from a rest to begin with, not standing, save that for later. Second the front sight comes first, always! Next, always cock the gun with the left thumb so you don't change your hand position every time!!! We're talking single actions here. Don't have your target too far away to begin with, you want to hit the #&@!# thing so you can see what's going on with your technique. You must follow through on the shot & you must see the front sight all the way through the shot, every time. Don't quickly take the gun down to see where the shot went, follow through, it's very important. I probably should have stated earlier that you need a quality trigger to start with, that's just common sense, fighting a bad trigger is like kissing your sister. If your gun isn't grouping have a friend shoot it & see if it groups tighter when he shoots it & do it slow fire. Every time I see some one shooting fast I can just about guarantee he's either really good or he's jerking the trigger, usually the latter. Once you get your confidence up, move back 10 more yards, etc. Only once you've mastered the trigger do you go to off hand, because those little wobbles you see are going to make you "run" at the trigger & that's a hard habit to break. That was a very good point made about most people not using enough grip with their left hand, many just use it for support, put some dang grip on that thing with your weak hand, it helps a bunch, trust me. Are your sights, clear & crisp, if not you need to correct that, shooting iron sights is an "eye" game, you can't hit what you can't see. It might be your glasses, it might be the sights, etc. Some of us older guys need a narrow front sight or some paint for contrast. For target work black on black is still about as good as it gets. For hunting that's not the case but first get your gun shooting on target. crossed tape isn't very good, make an inverted T or used a square about 3-4 inches in size depending on distance, something that matches up with your sights. Never waste a shot, every shot has to count for something, just going out there & messing around is a step backwards, you have to work at it. Nobody was born doing it.
Dick
|
|
|
Post by kmcmichael on Jul 13, 2018 13:30:10 GMT -5
Trigger control is the most important thing. One of the best diagnostic is to load 2 rounds, skip a chamber and load one more. Load the remaining chambers with empty cases. This was called ball and dummy...or in my case, bald dummy! Seriously, the shooter can then see how bad the flinch is.
|
|
|
Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 13, 2018 14:34:57 GMT -5
I swear, Dick Thompson is the funniest man on the planet. I can't read his post without making mischief....
Don't have your target too far away? You want your bullet to make it before it runs out of steam!
Kissing your sister? Isn't Stan from Alabama? We could ask him couldn't we??
Let a buddy shoot it? Not everybody has a friend with an ice cold glass eye that can be cranked up to 10X!
Slow fire? Really Dick, did you actually say slooow fire....?
C'mon Dick, you expect us to believe you weren't born with a sixshooter in either hand?
|
|
|
Post by oddshooter on Jul 13, 2018 14:48:18 GMT -5
Sixshot said it right. All his recommendations are bullseye hits on target. and he says it with style.
I particularly like the instruction on use of the left thumb. Use that left thumb in SA to cock that hammer back. Not the right thumb. Using your right grip hand means you change the grip 5 times in 6 shots.
Prescut
|
|
lah
.30 Stingray
Posts: 427
|
Post by lah on Jul 13, 2018 15:14:40 GMT -5
You must follow through on the shot & you must see the front sight all the way through the shot, every time. Dick This may help as much as anything mentioned here. Add to it repeating your grip & you are a long way down the road in shooting a sixgun or any firearm.
|
|
|
Post by Cholla on Jul 13, 2018 17:18:30 GMT -5
I shoot SA's almost every day; occasionally @ 25 yds. offhand, mostly 50 yds., seated/back rested, and the remainder 75 yds. seated and back rested. The "shooting left" problem is very common. I finally discovered that (at least for me) it's caused when I relax the my ring finger and my pinky when gripping the revolver. I have to REALLY focus on my grip when I'm taking my time shooting distant targets, because it seems the more I focus on the target, the more apt I am to relax my grip. As others have said, a consistent grip is of absolute paramount importance, especially with cartridges whose recoil is heavy. I know others will disagree, but I have no use whatsoever for bench shooting with a revolver. I used to do it and shot some pretty impressive groups at 50 and even 100 yds., but I found my POI from the bench was quite different than when shooting seated/back rested. Other than that, practice. No really...PRACTICE. Shooting revolvers accurately is not like learning to ride a bicycle, you have to keep working at it.
CHT
|
|
jsh
.327 Meteor
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star.png)
Posts: 884
|
Post by jsh on Jul 13, 2018 18:49:52 GMT -5
WOW! I would almost say lock the thread now and make it a sticky before it gets cluttered.
Some of the most savy sixgun advice I have seen. I would not expect it anywhere else actually.
I will toss in my .02 as I did not see it touched on.
Breath, ya have to breath. No oxygen and the eyes get messed up quick. Once the sight is steady, exhale hold, then squeeze. Trying to inhale and hold it, your using muscle and you will struggle terribly.
If you hold on the target too long, and start falling apart,no big deal. Put the gun down and start over. Make every shot the first shot.
Shot my FA last weekend in a match. Ran clean and perfect all the way through to 150, I hate turkey birds, but I smoked them with a good string. Got to Rams at 200. Bang,clang on the first three. Number four a clean miss flustered a bit missed five also. I know why I missed, I held the shot to long! My mind got off track and worried about time. Second string was better but still two misses. Once again me and I know why.
A 36x40 with a wheel gun makes me as happy as a 40x40+10 with any other rig.
Carry on gents. A lot of excellent advice and exercise. Jeff
|
|
|
Post by sixshot on Jul 13, 2018 22:14:27 GMT -5
I was outside casting & I thought I heard a Dawg yapping! Yup, right on my heels there was 2 Dogs drawing down on me at long range, at least 26 yards! When I say rested I always mean the Elmer Keith reclining position unless we're talking scoped guns & slow means 5 rounds in 15-18 seconds in a nice, smooth rhythm. I usually take Fermin's load, pour out half the powder & shoot it & it's still just a shade over a proof load but the gun stays in once piece although I have lost a front sight or two. A new shooter should never start out with magnum load, they should shoot good, accurate loads so they can practice the fundamentals of shooting without worrying about getting pounded by recoil. There are no short cuts to becoming a shooter, burn powder & focus on the basics, sights, breathing, trigger, follow through & you'll get there. Yip, Yip, Yip!
Dick
|
|
9x23w
.240 Incinerator
Posts: 33
|
Post by 9x23w on Jul 13, 2018 22:16:32 GMT -5
1-For 2 handed shooting, as sixshot indicated, I have found that using more pressure with the weak hand works best. Hard to slowly, evenly squeeze a trigger with a death grip on your strong hand.
2-On my 45 Blackhawk with a SBH hammer (which is almost identical to a SBH except the SBH grip is longer), I have found I shoot best with one hand when I push my fingers in back of the trigger guard up into the gun. This makes my hand sit high on the gun, in fact, the hammer will sit on the top of my hand when cocked. Feels funny at first but it works for me, try it.
|
|