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Post by sixshot on Dec 9, 2017 19:49:44 GMT -5
I've had both the 475 & the 480 & when you load both to top end level's there's a price to pay. Not a lot of difference in velocity between the 2 all else being equal but when you go for that last bit of velocity the recoil is very noticeable. I think recoil increases about 3 to 1 over velocity so it's up to the shooter to decide if the gain is worth the pain.
I left my Freedom Arms in Africa since my PH wanted it pretty bad. I had been loading it hot, why not, this was Africa! It wasn't pleasant to shoot & I like pleasant. My 4 different 480's have all been pleasant to shoot, even with top end loads & have taken Bison, 2 bull Moose, bear & a whole lot of other game by friends. A 45 is also a great caliber & if you have one you will be well armed for big game, I've taken bear, many, many deer & 4 elk with 4 shots, don't under estimate the 45 with good loads.
A big, wide bullet that drive's straight & deep & that the shooter can shoot accurately is what makes a good six gun, if that's a 45 use it, if it's a 480, that's even better. The small gain of the 475, at least to me is a question mark for what you give up in recoil compared to better accuracy & control. You're still going to shoot through everything but the very biggest critters in north america. I've never recovered a bullet using any of my 480's. How many animals do we shoot over 1200-1500 lbs in north america with a six gun, 1%-2% of the total maybe.
Dick
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Post by edward on Dec 9, 2017 20:21:23 GMT -5
their you go again dick,using common since.sadly,i kinda like the pain of recoil???
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Post by tradmark on Dec 9, 2017 21:42:08 GMT -5
I think the 480 and 41 run right together for recoil:results ratio tops of the cartridge list. Very very nice rounds. I still maintain though that the 475 can be loaded like a 480 when ever u so choose. When u dont stick to standard bullets and use aframes/barnes monometal solids and punch bullets and go up the game size scale, thats when the 475 outdistances the 480 and the 454 does the same to the 45 colt but that does come at a cost of recoil as has been stated earlier. Im a dg addict and it comprises about 40-50% of what i hunt so that does color my thought process. I will add that if someone told me the 480 is all u need id have to agree and over the last year or so its become one of my favorites and is my daughters favorite!
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Post by JM on Dec 9, 2017 21:57:58 GMT -5
Is there any/much price difference between building a 475 vs. a 500?
If not... Might as well go 500.
The 480 can be picked up in a production model.
45 Colt, 480 Ruger & a 500. Nice trio!
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Post by mike454 on Dec 10, 2017 8:22:22 GMT -5
The 500’s are great and can be loaded mild to wild and jack huntington was the first to pioneer the 525 gr flatpoint from the 50 alaskan in the 500L. He also was the first to disprove the arbitrary ultra low pressure limit attributed to the 500L. At what pressure is Jack running the 500 linebaugh? The earliest published pressure gun data I have is from the late 90's and is running some loads up into the mid 40 thou PSI range. Not too long after that Hodgdon seems to have settled on a 35,000 psi upper limit for the cartridge with the heaviest bullet listed being a 470 grainer. |
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Post by tradmark on Dec 10, 2017 11:52:00 GMT -5
I know jack ran some up near 50k i believe. I know for a fact he is the first to use, try, push for the 525 cast perf bullet from the 50ak. I was also surprised to have found out that he was the one that was responsible for the dimensions and specs for smaller
Rimmed brass for the 475L that buffalo bore used with starline when they first produced the factory rounds. The dimensions that have stuck for the cartridge
To this day. Im rather proud to have bought the ole model 82”3 he did that development on.
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Post by wildcatter on Dec 10, 2017 12:34:17 GMT -5
I've had both the 475 & the 480 & when you load both to top end level's there's a price to pay. Not a lot of difference in velocity between the 2 all else being equal but when you go for that last bit of velocity the recoil is very noticeable. I think recoil increases about 3 to 1 over velocity so it's up to the shooter to decide if the gain is worth the pain. I left my Freedom Arms in Africa since my PH wanted it pretty bad. I had been loading it hot, why not, this was Africa! It wasn't pleasant to shoot & I like pleasant. My 4 different 480's have all been pleasant to shoot, even with top end loads & have taken Bison, 2 bull Moose, bear & a whole lot of other game by friends. A 45 is also a great caliber & if you have one you will be well armed for big game, I've taken bear, many, many deer & 4 elk with 4 shots, don't under estimate the 45 with good loads. A big, wide bullet that drive's straight & deep & that the shooter can shoot accurately is what makes a good six gun, if that's a 45 use it, if it's a 480, that's even better. The small gain of the 475, at least to me is a question mark for what you give up in recoil compared to better accuracy & control. You're still going to shoot through everything but the very biggest critters in north america. I've never recovered a bullet using any of my 480's. How many animals do we shoot over 1200-1500 lbs in north america with a six gun, 1%-2% of the total maybe. Dick Careful Dick, some will think you ain't figured it out yet, but most realize this has been figured out a long time ago. Excellent way to put it in perspective, and dam sure not an opinion that goes unproven by this guy! I may be be wrong about my experience downloading most calibers, but would like to know if others have had the same result's. I may be wrong because I never tried to download the 475 and get the same level of accuracy I could with full house loads. Maybe some can but I have to ask is that because they better handle the same revolver with less violent loads? I definitely have tried numerous loads and powders in 454's to shoot mild Colt velocities before moving them on. I have never had FA that shot with the same level of accuracy that it did at full pressure, from 200 grain screamers, to 460 grain thumpers. But I never shot a 45 Colt at 45 acp levels and achieve accuracy to equal medium to top pressure Colt loads. This may be because my form is lacking, and that bullet lingering gives me enough time to taint the accuracy? I know I have better luck with downloading a 357 with mild 38 specials than I do using magnum brass and trying to get the same level of accuracy I do with top end loads also. I have always got better low end loads using 38 special brass, even with the longer bullet jump, than I can get downloading the 357 case. Maybe I just been doing it wrong, but how about others. It's been a long time since I had a 44 in the case, but 40 years ago I never got the results downloading my 44 mags for best accuracy that I did with top end loads, like I say maybe I just do it wrong. |
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Post by junebug on Dec 10, 2017 13:20:16 GMT -5
AS others have said there is a price to pay with the big boomers.The 480 is about all I want any more in terms of recoil and will shoot two holes in anything you point it at. Only you know your recoil tolerances and how much time you spend shooting.The big bores take time to master as well you know.If you want a 475 by all means get one, but your .45 Colt and a 480 Ruger are easier to shoot. They will cover anything out there with out too much pain for the shooter. Hunted with my 358 jdj magna ported Contender and 45 Colt this year and had a few days when I hoped nothing would show up out of 45 range to shoot.Wrist hurt so bad didn't want to have to shoot the 358.
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Post by sixshot on Dec 10, 2017 13:55:53 GMT -5
Going one step further for you guys that like that last little bit of horsepower. In no way am I knocking the 475, I'm just saying that the 480 is very impressive & far more gentle on the back end which makes it easier to shoot more accurately for most of us. So, for me at least the next logical step is to go up to the 500, keep your pressures down & let that big, wide flat nose work it's magic at a level you can handle.
This may or may not be the answer for everyone, I just know that accuracy has to be #1 in hunting, without it power is useless. The 500 at reasonable pressures & big, heavy bullets can go beyond the 480 without having to be brutal. I've owned the 454, 475, a full house 458 win mag in a 15" Encore & did lots of testing with a 416 Lockhart in a handgun, I can take recoil but taking it for no reason quit making sense to me a long time ago, other opinions may vary, that's why we have these discussions.
It's those high pressure level's that wear you down, effect your accuracy & accelerate the wear on your gun. Factor in good bullets, matched to the game at hand & a good 45 Colt, 480 or the big 500 at your comfort level is all you need to become successful, & well maybe a little practice.
Dick
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Post by bigbrowndog on Dec 10, 2017 20:05:01 GMT -5
Couldnt agree more,
Personally for the bigger calibers, 44/45 and larger, 1200-1300fps is all I need, I’d rather go up in bullet weight and caliber if I feel the need for more, than up in velocity.
Trapr
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Post by Alaskan454 on Dec 10, 2017 20:12:50 GMT -5
My custom revolver journey began with the 45 Colt but also includes a 480 Ruger and 500 JRH. In my opinion, go straight for the 500 and you won't regret it. Since the 500 S&W is far more common than the 475 and 500 Linebaugh, there is a huge selection of plinking bullets at reasonable prices in .501. As well, you'll have a great selection bullets for hunting at a range of weights depending on your application. Lastly, Starline just released 500 Special brass and to be honest that can serve all of my needs with a 500. I plan to get some for my JRH for the light and medium range loads. I tend to shoot a lot more midrange than full power anyway.
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Post by sac on Dec 11, 2017 10:22:05 GMT -5
Thanks all for the replies, Now you have to think about the 480.
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Post by bula on Dec 11, 2017 12:56:41 GMT -5
These ballistic mayhem discussions are not in vain. Often a new voice or POV chimes in. An older POV gets worded just differently enough that it now "clicks" for someone. Am sad when they fade to insults and such,hope for better here. When to give up on HP's, at what distance WFN's are no longer stable and give accuracy, many things beg more discussion here. I'll throw out my usual, at the point that you have complete penetration nailed down, sufficient terminal damage too, more velocity mostly buys you more range to do so. How much range you need and have sufficient skill for, for you to answer.
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