Inspired by Taffin

[serialsolver]

dougader, Looks like your getting it figured out.

[coldcase1984]

Have y'all killed a deer with those loads yet? Need a mission for my old MkIV Series '70 now we've "never been allowed to carry them."

Back in the early '70s me, Dad and brother read an article about loading 9mm with 158 gr. SWCs. We loaded a bunch for a friend of my dad's who had a tangent sighted BHP. They shot into an inch at 25 yards. The friend killed many rabbits with that load. Think we used HP-38.

P.S. Got some Double Tap Ammo 10mm rounds with a 200-gr. WFNGC bullet at more than 1,200 fps out of my G29. Looks like that 265 gr. load. Too bad my G29 is .2-in too short to hunt deer in TN.

[danindayton]

This is a real interesting thread for a guy that just bought a Smith mdl 25 in .45 acp.
With its fully supported case head and .45 super brass or .45 auto rim, how fast/heavy could I go?

How strong is the Mdl .25?

Danindayton
ilurkalot

[serialsolver]

danindayton, You can push a 250 gr bullet in a m25 up to 1000 fps pretty easy. Mr. Taffin wrote some articles not too long ago with loads for 45 acp autos and 45 acp and 45 auto rim revolver only loads. I can’t list any loads because all my references are boxed up now. Maybe they are listed on Sixguns or American Handgunner sites. Sorry I can’t be more help.

[danindayton]

Serialsolver,
Thanks for the info.
I doubt if I will get anywhere near those loads in this 3" Smith I just bought. I was just curious.
I have never failed to kill anything that I have pointed a .45acp at.

Thanks again,
danindayton
ilurkalot

[dougader]

This is my setup. All I wanted was a 255-265 grain slug to duplicate the old 45 Colt and this does it handily. It doesn't kick anymore than my old G20 with the 200 grain DT xtp load.

[dougader]

The bullet on the right here is a Speer 250 grain GDHP over 13.5 grains Blue Dot loaded in 45 Colt Starline brass and fired from a 625-6 Mt Gun. It blew through 4 one-gallon water jugs, broke the plastic on the 5th and bounced back inside the 4th jug.

FYI: 13.0 grains blue dot is a max load in Speer 14 for their 260 grain jhp.

[serialsolver]

dougader, I think the longer barrel in the Glock is the way to go. It is easier to get to the 45 Colt velocities that way. I may revisit the concept later with the Colt Government Model I just got. I have a heavy recoil spring and some shock buffs that were given to me. I will not push the Colt like I did the Glock though. I have give a little bit of thought to maybe getting a Smith & Wesson 1911pd and revisit the ideal. Too many ideals, too little money.

[coldcase1984]

Shouldn't have looked at this thread! Just got an email about a large lot of police trade in Gen. 3 G21s for sale.
One of those old Glocks might be fun to goof around with in the heavy bullet arena. Like the looks of the WFNGC and, heck, I could carry it off duty.

[fltbed]

Feb 28, 2010 17:40:17 GMT -5 dougader said:

Keep an eye on the lead build up on the ports. It can and does cause problems if left unchecked.

Looks like a nice setup.

Jeff

[serialsolver]

Since I have traded off my big bore Glocks for 1911’s I thought I would revisit the heavy bullets in the 45 acp with the 1911. My Colt Government Model with 6 grs Unique pushes the 250 gr. bullet out at about 940 fps with good accuracy. The longer barrel of the Government Model reaches into the mid 900 fps easer than the shorter Glock 21 barrel with less powder and drama. I also ran the 250 gr bullet in the Kimber Ultra Carry I just got. The Kimber has not gotten the listed max loads like the Government Model has and I don’t think it will. The heaviest load the Kimber has gotten is 5.5 grs Unique which pushed the 250 gr bullet at about 775 fps. What I have found interesting was while testing I ran some 230 gr Gold Dots thru the little Kimber to see what my urban carry load was doing. The Gold Dots left the Kimber muzzle at about 750 fps. 750 fps is what the 250 gr bullet leaves the Kimber muzzle at with just 5 grs Unique. I’m going to use this as my rural load. As I said before the loads are accurate and recoil is not bad. Even from a beaver tailless Government Model. I hope my recoil perception is not way off. No recoil seems bad anymore after testing 44 magnums in a Smith & Wesson 329 pd.

The standard disclaimer here- These loads are maximum loads and are safe in my guns. I can not answer for anybody else’s guns and loads.

The subjects discussed.

[nonpcnrarn]

Sprinco makes a dual spring recoil reducer specifically for +P or 45 Super ammo. I have a Firedragon recoil reducer of similar design for the Buffalo Bore +P 230gr fmj-fp at 950 fps. I think I will get the Sprinco reducer for the Buffalo Bore 255 gr Cast FP at 1075 fps. I sent them (BB) an email asking if they had considered a WFN instead of the FN as the WFN meplat is larger. Will update post if I get a response.

[serialsolver]

I looked over the Sprinco site. That looks like a pretty good system. I going to keep that in mind. I have traded my way into Kimber Custom Crimson Carry to continue the experimentation. I have fitted a EGW oversize firing pin stop with a small radius to see how that helps in slowing the slide. I haven’t yet made it to the range to see how it does. hopefully I’ll get to the range this weekend.

[steveb]

The big Glocks are gaining a serious fan base. I don't have big enough hands or I'd be there ! Have a G23 for CCW, run a Storm Lake 9mm barrel in it most of the time. Cheaper ammo for high round count courses and shoots and with the 127+P+ Ranger loading for serious social occasions, not giving up anything worth argueing about. steve b

[gunzo]

FWIW, In the 1911 you may also want to take look at a Comonolli frame saver guide rod. The dual shock buffs offer protection for both the frame & slide and allow you to use stock type reciol springs in whatever weight is needed. I've had good results with these.

You guys really got me thinking about these loads. That kind of power in a 1911, along with a .22 conversion unit, just might be the answer to the "having only one pistol" theory. Not that I would wish that on any law abiding person.