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Post by awp101 on Jul 8, 2016 7:23:25 GMT -5
I always thought the point of having a long slide (~6") 1911 was the longer sight radius. Now that Glock has their new long slide models out that are already machined for a dot sight I'm not sure my assumption was right.
Is there another reason besides a longer sight radius? I was under the impression the .45ACP didn't see any great gains when a longer barrel was used. Is that true or have I been mislead all these years?
Thanks!
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Post by AxeHandle on Jul 8, 2016 7:44:58 GMT -5
Target shooters like the added weight and sight radius. They recoil softer too. I'm sure you pick up a little velocity in the 45 ACP but the 10mm should do significantly better. Some people like the muzzle heavy feel of the long slides. For a hunting gun you have to remember that you sacrifice some portability with the longer slides and that red dot...
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Post by bradshaw on Jul 8, 2016 13:12:09 GMT -5
According to Les Baer, a 5-inch 1911 can be made more accurate than the 6-inch. ACCURACY for Les Baer, certainly dating to his IHMSA days, is a serious matter. On a well built 1911, the average----what a broad brush that is!----shooter may never know which groups tighter. That leaves VELOCITY. As AxeHandle hints, the 10mm Auto stands to take better advantage of the extra inch than the pumpkin .45 ACP. Extra slide weight means greater inertia at the moment of fire, which should translate into slightly-later unlocking of the DELAYED BLOWBACK pistol. I hunted with the 10mm Auto because I had to find out, and it works. It is not a .44, nor a .45 Colt, nor a .41 Mag, not even a big frame .357. Against that, the 10mm Auto yields a taste of brutish performance in a flat package, which makes it a Harm's Way package.
For the .45 Auto taken afield, keeping the barrel locked to the slide a fraction longer comes highly recommended. The choice is personal. Around here, the 1911 wants to jump into the nearest leather, which practicality accords old Moses Browning's configuration a special place.
David Bradshaw
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 8, 2016 13:23:13 GMT -5
Best option is to have both...  |
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Post by awp101 on Jul 8, 2016 22:09:35 GMT -5
Thanks! I hadn't thought about the extra weight acting as a recoil dampener.
I've been kicking around a G21 but a 41 is an option, probably without the red dot provision. Either way I believe a 10mm conversion barrel will be in order at some point.
My guess is the extra inch of slide, barrel, recoil assembly, etc plays havoc with the 1911 system and keeps it from settling in as well as a Govt length?
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Post by cmillard on Jul 9, 2016 0:02:25 GMT -5
Les Baer would know--he is in Iowa of course ;-) my avatar pic is of my Clarke custom longslide, only in .460 Rowland. the longer sight radius is nice as is the extra weight--the muzzle brake adds weight as well as reduction in muzzle climb. but, muzzle blast is brutal!!
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Post by cmh on Jul 9, 2016 7:36:05 GMT -5
I much prefer the 6" longslide I EDC in 10mm.... to me it makes a real difference.
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Post by awp101 on Jul 9, 2016 9:47:34 GMT -5
I bet it is!  A 6" 10mm for EDC? Your legs must be longer than mine...  |
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Post by cmh on Jul 9, 2016 9:49:44 GMT -5
No Sir its not bad at all..... sometimes its like its not even there. My hip howitzer  |
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Post by AxeHandle on Jul 9, 2016 10:37:19 GMT -5
FWIW the 10mm longslide glock G40 has the same thickness slide as the G21. Makes for a very BIG gun. The 45 ACP G41 on the other hand has a slide the same thickness as the 45 ACP 30S, and 9mm G34 Glock. I can put my G41 beside my G34 and if you can't see the bore you can't tell which is which.
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Post by awp101 on Jul 9, 2016 13:23:11 GMT -5
FWIW the 10mm longslide glock G40 has the same thickness slide as the G21. Makes for a very BIG gun. The 45 ACP G41 on the other hand has a slide the same thickness as the 45 ACP 30S, and 9mm G34 Glock. I can put my G41 beside my G34 and if you can't see the bore you can't tell which is which. Thanks, that's something I'll have to keep in mind. This is one of those "I'm not sure what I'll do with it but I want to look at them anyway" kind of things. |
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Post by jimtx on Jul 10, 2016 2:48:09 GMT -5
I love my 6" Springfield Omega 10mm.
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Post by AxeHandle on Jul 10, 2016 9:03:36 GMT -5
In the days of iron sight shooting we did see some long slide customs on the paper punching range however the 5 inch slide with the extended sigh Bomar rib was much more popular. The extended sight rib gives the weigh and sight radius of the long slide while not requiring the follow through of the 6 inch slide guns. Yes, Bomar did make a rib sight for the 6 inch slide guns.  |
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Post by bagdadjoe on Jul 10, 2016 15:23:31 GMT -5
I've had two AMT Longslides..had no idea they would be near irreplaceable "collectors items". They were both very accurate and the feel is the difference between a VW bug vs a Lincoln on a bumpy road. The Longslide being very cushioned in recoil.
People trash the AMT's, but mine were both Covina guns, never had a problem with either.
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Post by awp101 on Jul 10, 2016 15:56:29 GMT -5
Axe I thought about those extended sights the other day but couldn't remember who made them. I've never used them and I don't think I've seen them anywhere but in pictures. bagdadjoe, I've had an AMT Backup .380 and Automag II .22 Mag and don't recall any issues either. The Backup had a trigger that required 2 men and a small boy to pull but that made it pretty darn safe for pocket carry! |
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