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Post by cas on Jun 21, 2016 12:47:34 GMT -5
I miss shooting Revolver but the 8 shot thing pissed me off too much. Unless I stumble into a gun way too cheap it's not going to happen. The funny thing is I can still beat everyone locally with my 625. We had unsanctioned ICOR matches a couple years and I still beat the Open guys with comped , dotted eight shooters. But whenever I'd shoot matches away from home, I shot revolver. The whole 8 shot BS, giving in to the vocal minority (and to help sell some guns) pissed me off to no end, so I gave up my favorite and probably best division.
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Post by seancass on Jun 21, 2016 18:15:48 GMT -5
I bought the 929 on a whim, sort of on accident. After that, I figured if I had the gun I might as well play with it, it was made for racing. I had no idea I was running head-long into the six-shot versus eight-shot debacle. I just run what I brung, but I was late to the party so I brunged an 8-shot instead of a six.
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Post by contender on Jun 24, 2016 10:10:04 GMT -5
Don't feel bad cas,,, I understand. I got mine before all the changes & felt that once again, I was behind the curve. But, I'm enjoying using my 6 shot 40 cal & hopefully, now that I've got the light strike issue solved, I can be a bit more competitive.
Sean,,,, do NOT let the 6 vs 8 stop you. Go & enjoy your gun & shoot it as much as you can. Many of us are just old curmudgeons who dislike change. (I resemble that remark btw.) I, like cas will get an 8 shot,,, only if I get a "good" deal somewhere.
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Post by sixshot on Jun 24, 2016 13:06:56 GMT -5
Owned 2 of the 8 shot guns, a 38 Super & an 8 shot PC 357 & enjoyed them very much. I even scoped the Super one time & shot it in a match in Boise just to get classified in Open class, it was a hoot! A local lady hounded me to death to sell her the 357, my son had done a lot of action work to it & it was a smooth as a used car sales man. I finally let her have it. I think it would be a lot of fun to shoot in Production class. Also one of the new 9mm's would be a very fun gun to shoot, gotta love all of them & also remember on most stages you can find a place to reload on the move if you really think it through, that's the fun part about revolver class anyway. You have to get away from those standing reloads & you have to get pretty innovative.
Here's an example using a sixshot gun! The course is 18 rounds with 5 targets through a big window. There are 2 targets outside the window on each end. How do you shoot the course & stay away from a standing reload. The rules are, you must fire at least your first shot through the window & your last shot through the window. The outside targets cannot be seen without moving, so you must move to engage them. Each target has to be shot twice. Sketch this out on a piece of paper if it helps you see it.
Dick
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Post by contender on Jun 25, 2016 9:08:03 GMT -5
Dick,, I see this can be done. (And it may be a stage I build soon! Thanks for the idea.) But looking at the round count, 18 rounds, that's 3 cylinders full, and revolver friendly. With an 8 shot revolver, they will also have to do a second reload. The issues I see are where there are 4 targets in a presentation, where you can't move w/o losing sight of them, so a standing reload is necessary no matter what. With the USPSA rules allowing no more than 8 shots from one position being required, a lot of stage builders OFTEN put 4 targets in an array in such a manner as to only be able to shoot them from a single spot. Handicap the 6 shooters, and the 8 shooters get to load on the move.
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Post by sixshot on Jun 25, 2016 13:36:56 GMT -5
Tyrone, this is a very interesting & fun stage to shoot with a six shot gun. I designed it & here's how I shot it. Remember there are 5 paper targets through a big window & then two outside on each end that can't be seen without moving. The shooter starts in the middle of the stage, either hands at side or surrender position. At the buzzer you draw & engage the three middle paper targets, run to the left as you reload & engage the two outside targets & quickly turn & engage the far right target through the window. Your position on the far left has to be perfect so you can see that far right target. Now you are running again to the far right as you reload & engage the two outside targets, turn & shoot the last target through the window which is the far left & you are done. I think if you go on Youtube & google Dick Thompson speed shooting you will see this stage, its on there somewhere.
Dick
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Post by grinanddull on Jun 25, 2016 13:46:40 GMT -5
in the late 70s early 80s I tried shooting some run and gun matches with a revolver (1st year or 2 with a Redhawk till I got a S&W Model 14, didn't think I was dirty Harry with the 44 it was just what I owned at the time) and fairly quickly figured out I was no Jerry Miculek. I could shoot ok but reloading even with speed loaders with me doing it was like loading a black powder revolver. I switched to a 1911 later Glocks only to find out I wasn't a Rob Leatham either. had years of fun doing it (stopped shooting matches about 10 years ago) pretty much as a middle of the pack C class shooter, always wished I'd given the revolvers more time at smoke and hope matches but was happy to use them at NRA action pistol and speed steel stuff that didn't require any reloading. good luck and enjoy it.
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Post by contender on Jun 25, 2016 21:04:23 GMT -5
Dick, That's exactly how I figured to set it up & shoot it. In fact, I drew out the stage on paper, put a shooters box big enough to move left & right, added walls (or N/S's,) on either side of the center wall. I put the shooter starting out standing on the outside of the box, toes on the X's. I figured to step in on the draw, engage the 3 in the middle, stepping left while reloading, engage the 2 on the left, pivot, engaging the far right target of the center array, moving right, reloading, & repeat things from the right side. I may even set this one up for our Autism shoot. Looks like fun!
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Post by smirker on Jun 29, 2016 19:21:31 GMT -5
Contender, backing of the mainspring strain screw is not the way to "Adjust the trigger pull". It needs to be done the right way. Two things that you want to always be sure of with that gun is that primers are seated fully into the pocket and even more important is the need to make sure the moon clips are flat. No bends or bows. This is a common item over looked and caused by ripping empties out of the clips with out taking care to make sure they remain straight. Where in A-6 are you shooting? I am shooting at Palmetto this Saturday.
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Post by contender on Jun 30, 2016 9:53:36 GMT -5
Howdy smirker. You must have missed my first post about this revolver problem. I used new moons, all flat. Plus, I have the proper tools to remove spent brass & to load the moons with. My primers were properly seated & double checked,,, even placed upon a marble slab to check for any potential high ones or whatever. And my addition of a primer cup to the mainspring tension screw allowed for heavier tension on the hammer. My trigger is fine, albeit a bit heavier than I'd like. But even talking to Jerry several years ago,,, heavier hammer strikes are good vs a too light a trigger. I shoot mostly at my range,,, Hawkeye Gun Club just outside of Lake Lure. We are on the USPSA website. Come join us sometime.
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Post by cas on Jun 30, 2016 12:46:59 GMT -5
When I started shooting revolver, we had one other guy who did, every match. One or two once in a while. I shot mostly revolver for a couple years, with a few others shooting now and then. I stopped shooting revolver, or rather took a break, sort of to give the other guys a chance... and it might have been working. It started taking off locally. The more who shot, the more new guys who joined in. We had 10-12 different guys shooting revolver, though usually all not at once, but there were always a handful every match instead of just one or two. Then they made eight shot legal and they all stopped. Most sold their 625s and didn't replace them. I think we have one regular left. So much for growing the division.
Funny about the 646. I had someone who was going to sell me one for a nice price at the time. A downright steal today. And I talked myself out of it... "What the heck am I going to do with that thing? I can't hunt with it. It's not really a target gun. It's not a carry gun." I wasnt playing gun games then but I still wanted it badly, but THOUGHT I was doing the smart thing for once and passed on it. I've regretted it ever since. The prices went nuts. (Sort of the same with my 696, I sold mine and immediately the prices skyrocketed to three times what I let it go for)
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Post by Alaskan454 on Jul 1, 2016 18:35:54 GMT -5
The rule change happened a few months after I specifically purchased a 625 for the game. At first I was a little bummed but now I realize USPSA is literally the only place it doesn't have a home. I shoot it in IDPA, ICORE, and Steel Challenge. I'll eventually buy a 929 but it might be a while.
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Post by cas on Jul 2, 2016 20:25:06 GMT -5
I though the moon clips were a no go now in IDPA as well?
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Post by Alaskan454 on Jul 3, 2016 6:20:59 GMT -5
New rules merged ESR and SSR into one division. You can shoot 105 PF with speedloaders or 155 PF with moonclips.
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