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Jan 30, 2016 11:25:11 GMT -5
Post by clintsfolly on Jan 30, 2016 11:25:11 GMT -5
I have not problem following rules but tell me the rules! I have always been one to help not make fun of the new guy. I have made friends with two guys that shoot IDPA all the time. They have asked me to go and try again but the first time still has left a bad taste.
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Post by sixshot on Jan 30, 2016 15:46:08 GMT -5
Paulg, you are right about the rules, he stated what they were, I had no idea & he said, no problem go ahead & shoot. At the end of the day, even with his continued complaining the biggest problem was the amazing amount of rules. Couldn't let an empty mag or speed loader hit the ground if it had ammo in it, couldn't engage a target without shooting them in the correct order & over exposing yourself, which is a judgement call by the range officer, it just went on & on & on. Some of the rules made perfect sense, others, in a real gun fight made no sense at all & could just get you killed. It was very over ruled for my tastes but thats just me, I know I'd rather listen to chess on the radio than shoot another one!
Dick
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Jan 30, 2016 17:01:30 GMT -5
Post by seancass on Jan 30, 2016 17:01:30 GMT -5
Sucks to hear that so many people have had bad times. I guess I was very fortunate. And I'm as glad as ever that I've never tried IDPA!
If you've had a bad time with IDPA, get yourself to an ICORE match!!
Don't want to run the wheel gun? Try USPSA, much fewer dumb rules, but still some I suppose. Since I run the wheel gun, the rule book says "Just have fun! you nut!"
A USPSA rule that bothers some is "Production" Class, which is where most would start, limits you to 10 rounds per mag. So you need 4-6 mags! That can big a big financial pill to swallow for someone to just TRY the game. If you want to fill 'em up, that bumps you to "Limited". There you'll find some fully built race guns and holsters. Meaning, you're stock glock isn't going to be very competitive. That can be a turn off to new shooters.
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Jan 30, 2016 18:25:02 GMT -5
Post by sixshot on Jan 30, 2016 18:25:02 GMT -5
Sorry, I meant to say a partially loaded mag or speed loader, not an empty one. I think an empty can hit the ground, can't remember. In USPSA it leans to more run & gun with the emphasis on speed & fast reloads but actually Production class in fairly cheap to get started in because the gun has to be pretty much stock, plus 10 round mags don't cost much, so its probably the best way to see if USPSA is the game for you. That or try revolver but you will need a very good action job, the cylinder will need to be slicked up so you can use moon clips & you will need 7-8 moon clips to get you to the finish line without running dry. Very fast reloads are absolutley necessary in revolver class because you are always running dry on a long stage. Standing reloads are a killer, you have to figure how someway to reload on the move or you have no chance, guys get pretty creatative firguring out how to do it. ICORE is all revolver, either 8 shot (open class with scope & ports) or stock gun class ( 6 shot guns, iron sights) The first 2 times I ever shot an ICORE match was in FT. Collins, Colorado. Actually Weld, Couty. It was the Rocky Mountain Regional Championships, which took in Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas & about everything west of there, not sure where it stopped, but Utah, Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming & Montana for sure. Shot it 2 years in a row & won it both times in stock gun class, won a S&W 625 the first year. The best shooter there was Bud Bond shooting in Open Class, 8 round guns with scopes, he was amazing & gave Jerry Michelek a real run for his money a few times before his untimely death while at the shootin range, setting up for a match. One of the finest men I ever met in the hangunning community & an amazing talent.
Dick
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Jan 30, 2016 20:15:18 GMT -5
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Post by paulg on Jan 30, 2016 20:15:18 GMT -5
Local gun range has IDPA matches every fourth Sunday. I was just trying to find out from those that's been there and done that what to expect. I'm 50+ years old so I don't have any delusions of grandeur about being competitive. Just wanted to hang out and shoot with some like minded and aged folks. They also have regular bowling pin matches too. I've shot those with them but it's been a few years. I'd be shooting a 1911 commander, nothing special. It's my carry gun. That's what appealed to me during research that it's supposed to be competition built around your carry gear. I haven't met any of the folks that shoot here yet but I figured what the hell, if it's not for me I haven't lost much.
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Jan 30, 2016 21:11:09 GMT -5
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Post by seancass on Jan 30, 2016 21:11:09 GMT -5
I'd encourage you to try it. Something anything! Maybe IDPA will be right up your alley! Maybe run n gun USPSA or wheel gun ICORE or quick draw Steel Challenge or knock-em-down Bowling Pins.
I enjoy exploring YouTube watching the really fast guys do this stuff.
I meant to say that if you just paid $300-400 for your "Production" gun, adding 6 x $30 = $180 just in magazines, plus the belt, holster and mag carriers, you've suddenly invested as much as the gun just in junk to try a game! My buddy's CZ takes mags that cost $50! And for dumb rules reasons, it's not even production legal!(Factory-installed threaded barrel on an otherwise legal gun) I guess somebody makes all these rules for a reason...
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Jan 30, 2016 21:42:11 GMT -5
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Post by paulg on Jan 30, 2016 21:42:11 GMT -5
The only thing I need equipment wise is a couple magazine pouches. I can only shoot in the Enhanced Service Pistol or Custom Pistol divisions with the 1911. I have a Glock 19 that I can use for Stock Service Pistol if I want to shoot that or my Beretta M9 but I carry my commander everyday so I'm gonna dance with who I brung. I paid the $40 for a one year membership for IDPA. Small price to pay if it turns out good and I haven't lost much if it sucks. I needed more magazine pouches anyway so I haven't lost anything there. Besides I love sending Simply Rugged money. The intentions of the IDPA seem honorable enough. Focus is intended to be on accuracy not equipment. The damn rule book is 74 pages. I'd hate to be the RO at a match. Seems a lot of rules are at the discretion of the club hosting the match which is fine as long as they are made clear up front and everyone is held to the same standards. I don't mind rules either as long as I'm learning something that's beneficial.
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Post by contender on Jan 30, 2016 23:35:14 GMT -5
As I mentioned,,, I shoot USPSA. I've shot SASS, IDPA, & other stuff. But USPSA,,, has been pretty good to me. Production,,, designed to get you started is not as expensive as you'd think. A Long Course, will only be 32 rounds,,, so you can get by with 4 magazines. Most good guns are shipped with 2 mags,,, so you'll need to buy only 2. A plain kydex holster,,, and a plain mag pouch carrier to hold your spare 3 mags & you are good to go. You won't have all the "top of the line expensive" stuff the winners will be using,,, but you will get introduced to it to make an educated decision. USPSA rules are posted on their website & aren't too bad for a beginner. Just make sure you find a club/match that actually LIKES to have newbies come & enjoy themselves. Time for a match. We usually have 30-40 shooters monthly, break them into 3 squads,, start shooting 6 stages at 10:00 am & most are finished by 1:30-2:00 pm. Yes, you will have down time,,, but that's when your buddies are shooting, or you are reloading mags,or helping paste, pick up brass, etc. It's as much a social event as the shooting. It takes a lot of work for the range volunteers to set up these stages, & provide folks with a challenging shooting match. (All those walls, props, steel targets, paper targets & stands didn't set themselves up.) Yes,,, in 6 stages,,, most shooters are only pulling a trigger for a total time of maybe 2-3-4 minutes all day,,, but those 30 second (or less) runs will get the blood pumping & can be very exciting.
I find that competition does allow me to shoot fast, under a timer, trying to be as fast & accurate as I can be. The mental stress can be a rush,, and hopefully, if I ever get into a real gunfight, I'll have developed the skills I need to react w/o thinking & do what I need to do. By shooting this stuff,,, I'm developing muscle memory skills that will allow my body to react faster than I can think about doing a skill. And,,, by doing so against other people,,, I can evaluate my abilities and improve my skills.
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Post by bulasteve on Jan 31, 2016 8:16:32 GMT -5
Around here, clubs own the grounds and range. They generally put in standard rifle/pistol type ranges, then some mix of trap/skeet/clays, depending on room, money and what the members want. If a clique within the club aquire ability to shoot IDPA or a bunch of IDPA shooters approach the club and rent or lease the space. I've not seen an IDPA club per say. The same club may also put in some type of archery course, or have falling steel matches, etc.. What I'm trying to say is, maybe shop for a club you fit well with, regardless of what type of shooting drew you there in the first place. With a suitable acreage here, and 200+ acres at camp in the hills, its rare for me to go shoot someone elses venue anymore.
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Jan 31, 2016 20:25:19 GMT -5
Post by smirker on Jan 31, 2016 20:25:19 GMT -5
I shot IDPA for a couple of years back in the 90's. Got away from it because it changed from a competition with stages requiring shooting skills in a theoretical tactical situation to a game of procedure with little shooting. The sport is having problems and a lot of local clubs across the county are starting their own version of the sport and affiliating with surrounding clubs to grow it. In Georgia you are starting to hear about GDPA clubs. Having said all that. It is not as much fun as USPSA. Large club matches will have 50-60 entries a month. 5 hours at a range to shoot 40 rounds. NEVER AGAIN! If you want to start in competitive handgun shooting, go to USPSA matches. Lots of help with a lot less attitude.
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Feb 6, 2016 20:54:46 GMT -5
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Post by Alaskan454 on Feb 6, 2016 20:54:46 GMT -5
IDPA can be fun, but I tend to bring out of the ordinary stuff. It's the most fun with actual gear you pack and shoot.
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Feb 7, 2016 8:06:05 GMT -5
Post by AxeHandle on Feb 7, 2016 8:06:05 GMT -5
Everybody likes the run and gun stuff these days.. Pray and spray! Drive half the day to get there, shoot a couple of minutes, and then drive back home. I've played with most of it. Actually enjoyed getting a NRA Personal Protection Outside the Home instructor certification so much that I joined IDPA just to get the rule book and even plan to shoot some one day. Not the matches but just the classifier! Nothing else looks like much fun to me. After all I will be 65 next year. My return to pocket pool shooting has filled my life well. Drive an hour, shoot 270 rounds over 5 hours of constant shooting and then drive back home. Senior at 60, grand senior at 65. Limitless work to do. There has NEVER been a perfect aggregate score posted. The record was set in the mid 70s with iron sights. The advent of the red dots has kept the old guys shooting and competitive. Turns out to be unending guns, ammo, and fundamentals. Just picked up a pair of Nelson conversions, 10,000 rounds of CCI SV for the 22, 5000 hard cast for the 38 Super and 5000 hard cast for the 45. Usually spend one day a week doing nothing but dry firing and another live firing. Match season starts in March...
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Feb 7, 2016 9:38:01 GMT -5
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Post by Alaskan454 on Feb 7, 2016 9:38:01 GMT -5
I tried ICORE for the first time last year and liked it so much I volunteered to be our club's match director for 16'. It's a ton of fun.
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