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Post by josht500 on Oct 14, 2015 23:23:05 GMT -5
I am recovering from a breaking my back in a bad car wreck back in May. I'm getting along ok, not great but ok. Deer season is rapidly coming up and I wonder if there were some loads that I could use say 13-1400 with a 420 cast. I can't handle 1900 fps anymore. I will mostly use my handguns but still like to carry that guide gun around too.
Would using low end 45/70 loads work?
Josh
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Post by nolongcolt on Oct 14, 2015 23:28:08 GMT -5
Sorry to hear of the injury, get better soon. As far as the .450 goes, sure, low end 45-70 loads will work fine. There is virtually no difference in powder capacity between the two rounds, what one will do the other will do given a proper platform. I have the longer barreled version of the Marlin, the MR and it shoots like a house-a-fire with 5744 and 350gr slugs. Its pretty flexible. Good luck on the recovery and deer hunting.
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Post by josht500 on Oct 15, 2015 0:09:00 GMT -5
Thanks. I don't think I've ever seen 5744 around here. I know that it's a good BP substitute but I've never seen any.I've been looking for some trailboss but again never found any.
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Post by nolongcolt on Oct 15, 2015 0:20:06 GMT -5
Powders are tough these days, though some are loosening up a bit. Check with Powder Valley on line. I snagged a 5# keg of Reloder 19 on there recently and its all gone now. Been looking for 2 years! Also just got some Blue Dot off of GB along with a pound of HP38, the 231 equivalent and some WLP primers. All for one reasonable shipping fee, though paid a bit of premium for the powders. Sometimes ya gotta just cough it up.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 15, 2015 7:55:05 GMT -5
Josht500.... May isn't that long ago for repairing a broken back. Yoga type stretches first thing in the morning go a long way to advance recovery. Heavy RECOIL certainly shouldn't be on the menu.
A .450 Marlin load approximating the .45-70 dose of 400 grain flat point @ 1,300 fps offers plenty punch on a large whitetail. With soft lead you can load down to 1,000 fps and fetch your venison.
Your cast 420 grain given the powder coat treatment as posted by sixshot and hoover, suitably annealed in the baking process, should provide plenty punch @ 1,000 fps. David Bradshaw
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Post by paul105 on Oct 15, 2015 8:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by joej on Oct 15, 2015 12:05:36 GMT -5
Using 30.5 grains of H4198 and a 405 grain cast you'll get right at 1,400 fps. That's still a little punch but no where near the commercial 350 grain punch.
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Post by hoover on Oct 15, 2015 12:28:23 GMT -5
24 grs of 2400 will duplicate BP load of just under 1300 fps with any bullet 350-500 gr.
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Post by josht500 on Oct 15, 2015 20:30:50 GMT -5
Thanks to everybody that replied. I'm going to try that 2400 load as I have several pounds of it. As far as the back goes it been a long 5 months and no real end in sight. Basically have been told welcone to my new life. Fun
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Post by BigBore44 on Oct 27, 2015 8:03:34 GMT -5
Josh I wish you well on your recovery. I run a Marlin 1895GS 45-70 Guide Gun and 1895 Cowboy with 13.5gr - 14.5gr Universal Clays, under a home cast 430gr WFNPB Tombstone (mold #46-430V from Tom@Accurate molds, essentially same as Beartooth Bullets Piledriver jr.) I don't own a chrony "Yet" so haven't a clue on velocity, but it's a Very accurate load and works great on whitetail The thing I love about my 45-70's is with a good WFN/LFN cast bullet you can usually eat right up to the hole Light recoil and deadly performance. Best of luck to you Sir. BigBore44
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Post by ProGun on Nov 14, 2015 18:07:16 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not the .450 Marlin just a belted 45-70? I believe I read once that the .450 Marlin is what the 45-70 should be by modern standards. However, due to the myriad of different 45-70's manufactured over the last 150 years or so, particularly trap-door rifles, it leaves us with basically the same dilemma as the .45 Colt. Whereas, factory ammo can only be loaded to the lowest (weakest) denominator.
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Post by josht500 on Nov 14, 2015 22:02:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies guys. But unfortunately my deer season is over before its going to get started. Just found out that I'm going to have anot her surgery on my back in the neXT week or so. Apparently 2 of the screws have broken in my back so I get to start all over again. Again thanks for the answers. I will try some of the loads out once I get healed up.
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Post by nolongcolt on Nov 14, 2015 23:44:58 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not the .450 Marlin just a belted 45-70? I believe I read once that the .450 Marlin is what the 45-70 should be by modern standards. However, due to the myriad of different 45-70's manufactured over the last 150 years or so, particularly trap-door rifles, it leaves us with basically the same dilemma as the .45 Colt. Whereas, factory ammo can only be loaded to the lowest (weakest) denominator. Basically yes, that's all it is. The belt is there to keep us from trying to chamber the .450 in anything else. The belt is taller than std belts so it wont chamber in a .458 Win mag either, which is sort of unfortunate as it would be a great alternative to downloading the big kicker. Cant recall for sure but case dimensions are probably not exact anyway so likely a moot point. Case capacity of the .450 is nearly identical to the .45-70, in fact some claim that in their Marlins they can actually get more velocity out of the older case than in the .450! While probably not impossible it would be an exercise in silliness I think because even if you could get another 25 or 50 fps, so what? What animal could tell the difference. I am happy to have a .45-70 in a Sharps platform and a .450 Marlin in a strong lever gun. No need to get all goofy about it.
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Post by nolongcolt on Nov 14, 2015 23:47:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies guys. But unfortunately my deer season is over before its going to get started. Just found out that I'm going to have anot her surgery on my back in the neXT week or so. Apparently 2 of the screws have broken in my back so I get to start all over again. Again thanks for the answers. I will try some of the loads out once I get healed up. Broke the screws in your back?? WTH were you doing anyway, moving fridges around?? Well, that's really the nuts, sorry to hear of it. You better lay real low for a while! Get well!
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Post by ProGun on Nov 15, 2015 7:36:09 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that about the screws. Doc said the only cure for a bad back is a strong back. I recommend a good dose of squats and deadlifts.
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