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Post by whitworth on Jul 30, 2014 5:17:15 GMT -5
Interesting bullets, but I wonder if the solid version would do anything a similar cast bullet wouldn't do.
I'm think the Cutting Edge bullets real benefit is the fact that they're lead free. Other than that, I'm not sure they'd do anything a good home cast bullet would do.
Cholla Except the fact that the nose will not degrade from too fast an impact velocity on a hard object like bone. They will not shatter like a brittle hardcast bullet. They are essentially a glorified hardcast bullet. There is a reason why many handgun hunters who hunt Africa use Punch bullets ($2.50 a piece), Barnes Busters, or CorBon Penetrators -- they don't want to take a chance on a bullet that isn't impervious to deformation which can and will hurt straight-line penetration. Bullets like the aforementioned will not distort even if they hit a hard object at a high speed. If penetration is the name of the game, bullets like the CEB solids are really hard to beat. I have always, and I mean always, been a proponent of hard cast bullets. They work -- as long as you keep the velocities in check. With these, you don't have the limitations. Again, not for plinking.
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Post by whitworth on Jul 30, 2014 5:18:50 GMT -5
Yeah but guys like me and COR only pay $50 to hunt elk. Some guys from GA might pay $1500 for a DIY and upwards of $4000(?) to hunt with a guide. At that point $150 for a few boxes off bullets to get you the best accuracy and performance isn't that hard to swallow. Exactly.
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Post by Seasons44 on Jul 30, 2014 8:19:08 GMT -5
Yeah but guys like me and COR only pay $50 to hunt elk. Some guys from GA might pay $1500 for a DIY and upwards of $4000(?) to hunt with a guide. At that point $150 for a few boxes off bullets to get you the best accuracy and performance isn't that hard to swallow. Exactly, this is a premium bullet like many have said and there is a cost to precision, roughly 20-30 seconds to machine each bullet. Yesterday I had an opportunity to head out and visit Cutting Edge, tour the shop and be there to do some b/c testing. Tested 15 different bullets and shot out to 600 yards with a variety of calibers, very interesting and a great group at the cutting edge family. To give you a little background, these bullets stemmed from the big bore rifle line, which has been proving it self in close to 300 pages in the terminal performance thread on accurate reloading, and the pistol bullets act exactly like their rifle brethren. The solids have ben explained above by Whitworth, though the hollow points act like no other on the market, while many know I am a hard cast fan, these give you the best of both worlds, 4 blade creating 4 separate wound channels and a base which plows through tearing fresh as it goes. Not to be combative but everything has a cost, if you would calculate in your licensee fees, travel expenses, ect. wouldn't you rather have the best posable product to ensure the best possible outcome? Bullets,guns,clothing it all has a cost and for the most part you get what you pay for,the performance I have seen, they are well worth the cost of admission in my opinion. Here is a video of the defensive rounds which act just like the larger calibers, www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6J7BJNUWGQ
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Post by COR on Jul 30, 2014 15:39:27 GMT -5
I'm paying about $600 for my bull tag this year Zac! But I will be there for the second season! I drive out, set up a drop camp and hunt public land with horses I rent. I wish I only paid $50! I could afford some of these bullets! I won't doubt the experts using them. I'm hoping the elk don't read this, all I have is a 305gr Keith style .45 slug...
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Post by zeus on Jul 30, 2014 16:19:46 GMT -5
I'm paying about $600 for my bull tag this year Zac! But I will be there for the second season! I drive out, set up a drop camp and hunt public land with horses I rent. I wish I only paid $50! I could afford some of these bullets! I won't doubt the experts using them. I'm hoping the elk don't read this, all I have is a 305gr Keith style .45 slug... I have a funny feeling you will be just fine
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Post by whitworth on Jul 30, 2014 16:25:53 GMT -5
Of course he will. I use cast bullets on nearly everything myself. The point I was trying to make is that there is a market for a tougher bullet that performs similarly without the risk of failure. Nothing more, nothing less.
I guess it's kind of like Freedom Arms revolvers. Some folks don't understand why someone would pay $2,500.00 for a revolver when you can get a Ruger for a lot less that will work just fine. And no, I'm not suggesting the Ruger is in the same category as the FA, but they both go bang and both will fill your freezer with meat. There are cheaper alternatives, but there is a place for more expensive bullets like these as well. To each his own.
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Post by Cholla on Jul 30, 2014 18:53:24 GMT -5
I understand those who love the boutique bullets, but I completely trust what I make and we all know the importance of confidence in our equipment. Also I've been on several DIY elk hunts; horses, mules, hours in the saddle, packing meat in the dark, the whole nine yards, and to me a bull elk is too hard to come by to even think about hunting with anything less than my Whelen. BUT, if the day ever comes when I have enough bulls to under my belt, I won't think twice about using one of my cast SWC's. Neither did Mr. Keith come to think of it!
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Post by COR on Jul 30, 2014 19:18:10 GMT -5
I did learn about a new bullet...that's always cool.
I respect Whitworth and was just throwing some fun at a fellow Leatherneck. I also trust his assessment, but I'm sticking to air cooled WW's until I get this casting thing down!
Does anyone know if those can be powder coated?
And Cholla...I've come home many years empty handed when I only carried my sixgun, missed a cow one year too with one... but I just love the hunt and getting bested by the King of the Colorado woods!
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Post by zac0419 on Jul 30, 2014 19:51:38 GMT -5
I'm paying about $600 for my bull tag this year Zac! But I will be there for the second season! I drive out, set up a drop camp and hunt public land with horses I rent. I wish I only paid $50! I could afford some of these bullets! I won't doubt the experts using them. I'm hoping the elk don't read this, all I have is a 305gr Keith style .45 slug... Yeah. Sorry about that. I got you mixed up with someone else. I edited my original post when I figured it out but a few guys had already quoted me. I wasn't trying to rub it in lol
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Post by whitworth on Jul 31, 2014 7:23:55 GMT -5
I did learn about a new bullet...that's always cool. I respect Whitworth and was just throwing some fun at a fellow Leatherneck. I also trust his assessment, but I'm sticking to air cooled WW's until I get this casting thing down! Does anyone know if those can be powder coated? And Cholla...I've come home many years empty handed when I only carried my sixgun, missed a cow one year too with one... but I just love the hunt and getting bested by the King of the Colorado woods! Jarheads! Have you tried water quenching them, Cor? I am going to hopefully test some powder coated cast bullets later in the year or the beginning of the new year.
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Post by dougader on Aug 1, 2014 23:52:24 GMT -5
The Cutting Edge hollow points remind me of the Remington copper hollow point sabot shotgun slugs. They were designed similarly, to shed the petals after a little penetration with the center slug continuing on with deeper penetration.
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Post by cmillard on Aug 2, 2014 12:22:51 GMT -5
that is why I like the Barnes XPB line of bullets. deep expansion, the petals peel back like a banana, BUT do not come off like the CEB.
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Post by whitworth on Aug 3, 2014 8:49:36 GMT -5
that is why I like the Barnes XPB line of bullets. deep expansion, the petals peel back like a banana, BUT do not come off like the CEB. I shot a hog with one and a petal actually punched a hole through the heart. It was pretty remarkable!
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Post by cmillard on Aug 3, 2014 9:29:57 GMT -5
the petal came off? I took my MRI .500 JRH with 275 xpbs and shot into a 16" diameter elm log. I recovered all the bullets and they were all intact and BEAUTIFULLY expanded and had nice petals. none of the hollow points filled with wood to keep from expanding.
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Post by Seasons44 on Aug 3, 2014 10:06:15 GMT -5
This damage was done by a single blade, the hog Whitworth is speaking of,
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