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Post by lscg on Feb 16, 2014 5:33:50 GMT -5
I know quite a few members here have Ivory grips and Ivory handled Knives so I just thought i'd give a warning, Obama in all his wisdom ( yeah right ) has decided a new ban on the interstate sale of legal Elephant ivory is the best way to stop the illegal poaching going on in Africa (nearly all of which goes to Asia ) anyway once this goes into effect it will be very hard if not impossible to buy Ivory and illegal to buy, sell or transport outside of your state. spread the word, more info here----> www.nutmegsports.com/
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Post by COR on Feb 16, 2014 7:31:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 9:58:17 GMT -5
No ivory for us, and more for the Chinese.
Honestly guys, have you ever noticed that all the regulations in the world seem to affect the U.S. only? Freon, free trade, trade tariffs, import restrictions, export restrictions, the list goes on forever.
Apologies for the rant.
Bob
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Post by lscg on Feb 16, 2014 13:47:39 GMT -5
he isn't my leader and I damn sure didn't choose him, a bunch of lazy good for nothing people who wanted free phones did.
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Post by unclezeb on Feb 16, 2014 13:51:08 GMT -5
Too bad we can't import elephants to texas like we did other african game and farm them. Several african species have rebounded after we've done that.
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Post by lscg on Feb 16, 2014 13:58:15 GMT -5
Too bad we can't import elephants to texas like we did other african game and farm them. Several african species have rebounded after we've done that. that would have been nice.
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Post by Paden on Feb 16, 2014 17:35:53 GMT -5
I can live without poached ivory shoes on my sixguns.
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Post by lscg on Feb 16, 2014 19:05:21 GMT -5
I can live without poached ivory shoes on my sixguns. well there's a big difference between legally harvested pre ban ivory and poached ivory, this effects legal pre ban ivory. all this new ban will do is make things worse for elephants, think about it, if ivory is even harder to come by then the price will go up, if the price goes up then the poachers will kill more elephants, why? because they'll make more money. it's just going to make things worse.
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Post by kings6 on Feb 16, 2014 22:32:13 GMT -5
While it may be hard to enforce, the ramifications for anyone that owns ivory gripped guns could be great. Can you imagine all the old Colts out there with ivory grips that technically can not be sold to someone from another state. And if I read it correctly, it can only be sold to someone within the same state if there is documentation that goes clear back to when it was imported. And as far as illegal ivory going into grips goes, does anyone really thing Jim of Nutmeg Sports or Paul Persinger or Roy Fishpaw have been making grips with illegal post ban ivory? Saying that just because a person does not have or want a set of antique or preban ivories on their guns so it is no big deal is like a bird hunter saying it is no big deal when if they ban AR's since they don't shoot one. What are they going to do with all the thousands of old guns or customs that are stocked in ivory. Shoot, I have several sets and each one I have ordered, I have asked and been told by each gripmaker that they come from pre-ban ivory but that does not mean I requested affidavits from them and copies of the original import papers from the supplier years ago. According to the new "holier than thou" regulations sent down from on high I will have to try and get these documents. I have also bought old sets of ivory grips by themselves or on old customs that are older than any ivory ban. Good luck anyone getting these away from me and out of the safe.
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Post by sierra11b on Feb 16, 2014 23:22:02 GMT -5
Figured this was going to be discussed here.
Because there's far more potentially effected knife makers with stockpiles of ivory as opposed to grip makers, I decided to venture to bladeforums custom knife forum where they've been discussing the potential business ramifications.
It's a good developing thread worth seeking out. Not sure if I can link to it or not but it should be easy to find which what I mention.
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Post by CraigC on Feb 17, 2014 0:29:40 GMT -5
I can live without poached ivory shoes on my sixguns. Me too. However, what I would prefer NOT to live without is several pairs of grips carved out of legal, pre-ban ivory. Which is what ANY set of custom grips would be made from. What I CAN live without is a president who shreds the Constitution, making the personal property of thousands of Americans worthless contraband to satisfy the fruitcake environmentalists with feel-good legislation in a vain attempt to save animals on another friggin' continent. ALL Americans with a job and a brain should be horrified and outraged by this executive order.
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Post by Paden on Feb 17, 2014 0:34:56 GMT -5
well there's a big difference between legally harvested pre ban ivory and poached ivory, this effects legal pre ban ivory. all this new ban will do is make things worse for elephants, think about it, if ivory is even harder to come by then the price will go up, if the price goes up then the poachers will kill more elephants, why? because they'll make more money. it's just going to make things worse. More than one way to think about it I reckon. A thinking man might wonder why the supply of "legally harvested pre ban ivory" has never really dried up over the years...
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Post by jayhawker on Feb 17, 2014 1:01:06 GMT -5
Several years ago one of the suppliers of ivory (Boone Trading Co. ?) indicated that thier ivory came from estate sales. Many wealthy older gentlemen who had enjoyed African safaries and brought home mounted tusks were passing away and the ivory was being sold. They indicated they had a supply that would last many years. The idiocy is the Afican countries that burn tons of confiscated ivory.
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Feb 17, 2014 6:52:05 GMT -5
I believe that lscg is correct. Less ivory, more demand, higher prices. Consider this, regarding Kenya's efforts to "protect elephants":
When Jomo Kenyatta, a former Mau Mau terrorist, was released from prison, he became Kenya's first President following the end of British colonial rule. Kenya shortly thereafter outlawed hunting. Kenyatta's wife and daughter Margaret then proceeded to run the world's largest ivory poaching and smuggling ring for years.
Kenya: The land of elephant protection.
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Post by tangocharlie on Feb 17, 2014 10:06:27 GMT -5
I agree with Mr. O'Neill. Ivory bans, along with rhino horn, bear gall bladders, etc., seem only to "excite" the market, making the banned substance more desirable, more valuable, and the risk to obtain and market it more worthwhile. I am all for the protection of endangered species, but it seems all too often in the far corners of the world that the enforcers are often the greatest violators. As noted with Jomo Kenyatta, I find it amusing that the terrorist ties of African leaders now spoken of in revered terms are never - NEVER - mentioned. If you have never read "Uhuru" by Robert Ruark, it is quite entertaining. Mr. Ruark had to be smuggled out of Africa when the book was released due to a large bounty placed on his head and a warrant issued for his arrest. The truth, it seems, was too ugly for the light of day. My opinion, of course...
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