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Post by woody on Oct 5, 2013 7:28:05 GMT -5
I really like the pump. I have been looking for a 760 in 30-06 the last few weeks. Nothing local. I will have to find one gunbroker. I want to trim it back to 20" and put a peep on it for hunting short range thicker stuff for deer.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 5, 2013 9:13:33 GMT -5
woody.... as you know, the 760 is is the daddy of the 7600, and the Model Six is the walnut & polished blue upgrade of the 7600. A Pachmayr Decelerator set for natural length of pull brings the single biggest improvement to a Remington pump in .30-06. Many who carry Remington pumps have switched to Browning autoloaders in recent years. The Browning BAR weighs more, won't overall match the reliability, and almost certainly not match Remington pump accuracy in sustained fire. I like the BAR for its offhand quality. They are more reliable than the Remington auto. But I was poisoned by the M1 Garand, which which lays them in there morning til night, a rifle stripped with your bare hands, more reliable in its sleep than the commercial autoloader is at the height of its glory. What I'd really like is a seven pound HK 91, stocked to fit a human, with a rifleman's trigger.
Valmet's version of the Kalashikov is a dead reliable, super accurate .308, but the shabby optic mounting snatches it from the hunter. I know Bill Ruger held Mikail Kalashnikov in the highest respect.I believe Ruger would have liked to pursue the sporting potential of the Kalashnikov action. If weight can be reduced on current AR 10 types, and the reliability issue seriously resolved, it would be a credible semi-auto hunting rifle.
In the environ of critters dressed in hair and big teeth, reliability trumps theoretical perfection.
David Bradshaw
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Post by serialsolver on Oct 5, 2013 10:44:44 GMT -5
my truck gun for a while was 760 in 30-06 cut to 16 in. here it is in one of its moments of glory.  |
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Post by cmh on Oct 5, 2013 14:19:56 GMT -5
Funny you bring up the Kalshnikov Mr Bradshaw. Have owned or built 15 variants and the nicest one I ever had was built from a virgin parts kit and a new milled receiver. That one was exceptionally tight and accurate for a kalashnikov.......... Had a DPMS AR10 and that was the lousiest most unreliable firearm (if it can be called that) I ever owned. I tried everything I knew to do and had a friend that was a armorer in the Army and he spent two days with it and got it running well enough........ and told me to get rid of it as fast as I could..... To bad really.........
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Post by coldcase1984 on Oct 5, 2013 19:19:19 GMT -5
Barrel needs bobbed to be quicker into play out a truck window if necessary. Considering any length between 16-21 7/8th, plus an AAC muzzlebrake w an eye toward getting a matching can to use on several carbines. There' a company that makes a Jungle Carbine-type cone flag hider to fit AAC brakes to force blast down range, would help the quivering remains of my eardrums last a mite longer.
Other blast reducer option would be a Noveske Flaming Pig FH.
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Post by woody on Oct 5, 2013 19:55:24 GMT -5
my truck gun for a while was 760 in 30-06 cut to 16 in. here it is in one of its moments of glory. That is exactly what I'm looking for in my set up. Maybe a barrel around 18" and add a peep sight. I'm not looking to put optics on it. Now I need to find a gun. Anyone have a line on a good project gun? |
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Post by COR on Oct 6, 2013 18:08:17 GMT -5
In Pa that 6/760/7600 is commonly referred to as the "Amish AK". in the years of multiple doe tags for each hunter it was a well earned title ... My uncle had on and I can attest to the cyclic rate when a whitetail happened across a wide field...
Always were very accurate and just an FYI, the 30/06 did come as an 18.5" factory set up... Could save you a couple of bucks/hours in cutting a tube down...
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Post by tek4260 on Oct 7, 2013 5:35:51 GMT -5
Been a fan of the 760 for many years. Here is my old ragged one that I have been hunting with almost exclusively for the past 10 years.  At 100 yards it does quite well with factory 125gr Remingtons  This year I plan on trying out some of the Hornady 160's designed for 30-30 velocities in an attempt to give it a bit more weight but still have rapid expansion.  and here are the velocities I get from its short barrel  |
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 7, 2013 8:31:42 GMT -5
Loaded the Hornady 170 FP .30-30 bullet in .30-06. The detonation it inflicted on cans full of water told me not to try it on deer. Same basic result as with 110 Spitzer. The .30-06 does honest work on game with good standard bullets----150, 165, 180 on deer; 180 and heavier on bigger. As folk here testify, the Remington pump is an all-time sleeper of a carbine/rifle.
David Bradshaw
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 9, 2013 8:43:01 GMT -5
alukban.... a few more notes from the North Country, on Remington's slide action rifle, and the "Scout" concept.
PUMP
As you have stated, the slide action is meant to be "pumped" like you mean business. Same principle applies to the lever action. Brisk cycling acts to control the cartridge, which is unsupported by the extractor as it jumps from magazine. Brisk cycling gives the stroke momentum and assures rhythmic bolt speed. Slow operation of a pump or lever gets choppy as the various mechanical leverages shift. Which may result in cartridge jumping at odd angles.
Same principle applies or should apply to the pump shotgun: work it like you mean business. Brisk motion generally prevents short-stroking, which can hang up rifles, shotguns, pump, lever, and even various bolt actions. I am unaware of persons loading ammunition backwards in a rifle, but I was on hand when, during a qualification, a state trooper loaded shells backward in his 870 pump 12 gauge. Locked up mechanism. Shotgun totally out of action. Disassemble to clear the round. Turns out the statie----with prior military training----was the governor's driver.
Neither I nor thousands of others would use the pump if it didn't work. It is lighter and more accurate than any semi-auto remotely approaching its reliability. No matter how fast one strokes a bolt, the pump is faster, with no shift of face in bolt stroke. Enclosed action affords protection as transitional weather turns rain, sleet and snow to ice. A hunter in the North Country practices vigilance against snow on scope lenses, to never exhale on eyepiece as he or she shoulders rifle, and to keep muzzle from scooping mud and snow. Hunter knows water seeping around bolt may fill space around locking lugs with ice, seize action.
SCOUT
Jeff Cooper's "scout" is a rifle barrel shortened to carbine length, has IER (Intermediate Eye Relief) optic, with auxiliary iron sights. Concept not new. The snoopin & poopin scout armed with carbine has been around a long time. Col. Cooper made a doctrine of the concept. Some folk mistakenly stretch concept to cover the rifle's role.
A carbine is a compromise. The hind leg woods hunter understands. The IER scope is more of a compromise than its potent rifle cartridge or short carbine barrel. Compared to a conventional rifle scope, the IER optic passes less light to the eye at dusk, virtually no light after dark. For this reason, the IER is not the optic for a late afternoon stand.
At the risk of heresy, providing power at just above 1x, a conventional eye relief scope on a carbine is versatile where wood and field overlap, and where taking a stand at dusk adds a half hour to the hunt.
David Bradshaw
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Post by jayhawker on Oct 9, 2013 23:29:45 GMT -5
Early 1900s exhibition shooter Cap Hardy used the Colt Lightning pump rifle as he found it better (faster) than the lever action. His specialty was riding on the running board of a car circling a fairgrounds track at 30 mph and breaking aerial targets. he was quoted as saying that he used shot shells (.44-40), but anyone that thought it easy should try it. I like pumps, starting with my first 1890 Win. .22.
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