1911 dot sight?

[bagdadjoe]

I just ran across the Jpoint dot sight that mounts in the rear sight dovetail..or it can be "melted" into the slide..for $200. Are there other sights that mount in the dovetail? I've only had a couple of red dots and none recently. They've come a long way in compactness and ruggedness apparently. I have a spare 1911 I might put one on and may be getting a Glock 21 soon. Never had a Glock...don't look like you can gaudy it up too much I know some of you use them, any comments?
thanks!

[joej]

With the 1911 it just depends on how you plan to use it and how much money you’re willing to part with.

Using the dovetail mount is fine, most find it acceptable while some have found it not quite as stable as they would like. Everyone normally will have to practice “adjusting” their draw or pointing to get the red dot into the heads-up display but that is normal for either revolver or pistol external mounts for the red dot. When I tried the dovetail mount I found it to be mounted a little high for my liking.

I had my frame milled to accept a Leupold DeltaPoint mount and directly in front of the DeltaPoint I had the frame milled to accept a regular iron sight that could be adjusted only for windage – however the rear sight height is such that it’s spot-on at 50 yards – you can purchase different heights depending upon your preference. In the “tactical-cool” crowd the rear sight set-up is called a “BUIS” or “back up iron sight”. You can use the iron sights with the DeltaPoint mounted, as the DeltaPoint is mounted that low in the frame where you can see the iron sights through the glass - just an option for those that think it might be of benefit someday.

With a milled slide; the whole sight set-up is one fast puppy, as when you bring the pistol to bear your eyes will naturally look to the rear of the frame where the rear sight use to be and what will be there is your red dot – and on target as well.

It will be just as fast as with your old sight set-up but much more accurate at longer distances, as there is absolutely no sight alignment. I have the 7.5MOA DeltaPoint, so I have a large point of reference to catch my eye and use just the delta tip for my aiming point. One really needs to be able to shoot both eyes open in order to take full advantage of the speed when engaging multiple targets.

On the dove-tail mount you will have to put in a little practice time getting use to the set-up, as the dot will not be “right there” on a natural draw. For target shooting either style will work just fine but if you think you have a need for speed or want the red-dot to point “naturally” – then a milled frame is the probably the better way to go.

Here's the business that did my frame milling:
www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/pictures.html

[bagdadjoe]

Thanks! Sounds like you have a nice set up. I'll check it out.

[Markbo]

My first foray into scoping a 1911 was this Marvel conversion I built in a home customized Uncle Mike's kydex holster:


I chose that particular red dot for that .22 because it has a very small 1.5 MOA dot. Precision, precision. While I don't have any pics I have used a couple of different red dots on this .460 Rowland build:


I chose all the components and Alan Harton did the build. Pinned/tapped the light mount and scope base (3 pins & 4 screws if I remember correctly) and dovetailed in the adjustable open sights. I have used a Jpoint & an Ultradot Matchdot on the Rowland and both have held up under limited use.

[groo]

Groo here
Got a JP on my glock 35 .
Yes you need to find the dot [may put some high sights on] but it is much easier to see.
With that, a trigger job , and a 6in 357sig barrel , clay birds are toast out to 125 yds.

[Deleted]

I got whupped by a guy with a Glock 22 and a JP in a pin match a while back. I'm plotting a comeback with my spare Springfield slide and a similar rear. I've very interested in what you come up with here although I have concerns about slide mounted optics.

[joej]

Here's why the JP whupped up on ya.



No sight alighnment - just put that dot or the delta tip on your target, press, move on - if you got your timing down, it's the best show in town.





You can see how everything is mounted low and it's one fast set-up and extremely accurate if you can control that trigger. I reduced my pull to 2.5#'s and found that it helps some at the longer ranges with smaller targets, as there is a little dancing going on in that heads up display.




Here's a picture of that "wide footprint" and the silver ring is actually the 2032 battery from the DeltaPoint, so you can get an idea of the size. The RMR looks about the same. The 1st picture shows what you actually see when you bring that puppy up from your holster - your eye looks for the rear sight but you see and immediately focus on the dot instead - you can see the BUIS in the picture but your eye really doesn't pay attention to it unless you change your focus - doesn't interfer one little bit with the red dot.



This is a typical 10-shot group from 25 yards rested - poor gun handling, mainly inconsistent grip is the major reason for the "fliers" but the 5-shot groups are normally a whole lot better on average - as most will be right at or close to 3/4 inch and 50-yard 5-shot groups are usually 2.5" to just under 3", as I can't hold to this pistols capability (Baer PII with 1.5 option)but I can scare hell out of about anything up to 100/125 yards. or so.

The below photo is 25 yards rested with 7 rounds fired - not typical of my gun handling but my 1911 likes that particular load but I just wiggled & wobbled those rounds into a nice group and pasted that target on a shelf in the man cave, just to remind me of what Lady Luck can bring to an ole fart every now & then.

[serialsolver]

I had a jpiont on a glock 22 for a while. The only problem I had with it was finding the dot. The jpiont is on my ar now.

[coldcase1984]

Trijicon RMRs are all the rage these days, too. I've read reports of wandering zeroes with RDS mounted directly to a slide. Be better to get a specific slide milled out for a bigger footprint than the rear sight slot to hedge against that.

I deeply desire a G35 slide with an RMR and a 6-in. .357 SIG barrel.