dutton
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Post by dutton on Mar 7, 2013 3:09:36 GMT -5
Hi, I´m from Germany and I bought some days ago a very rare Seville in .454 from United Sporting Arms with the Number 311 - a dream - like new with wooden grips.
My Friends said, I,d better spend the money on a Freedom Arms -the Qualitity should be much better - is that right ?
Sorry if there are language mistakes - school is more than 25 years ago....
Best regards from Vlotho
Dirk
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Post by bud on Mar 7, 2013 9:21:52 GMT -5
Your Enlish it very good....I used to be able to speak Germany, but never got far enough along to write it. Good job.
Not much help on the pressure a Seville will take. You could just shoot 45lc in it or load down 454 for the meantime. The Seville's, the early ones at least, where quite strong, but do not compare to a Freedom Arms product.
That is a very rare gun however....you could most likely sell it in the States for enough to purchase a FA.
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Post by Lee Martin on Mar 7, 2013 9:42:30 GMT -5
You have a very rare piece. Sporting Arms Inc produced 50 of these between 1982 and 1983. All were fit with 7.5" barrels. Roughly half shipped with wood grips, the other half with Pachmyrs. United Sporting Arms then produced another 30 in 1984 and added a 10.5" version (five of which were IHMSA marked on the topstrap). Quality is high but not quite on par with Freedom Arms. They'll handle 454 loads but I prefer heavy 45 Colt. A few of the Seville 454's shipped with slightly over-sized chambers (0.487 - 0.490" to be exact). They'll hold, but I don't like letting the brass get that much of a run at 60,000 PSI. Any chance of seeing a photo of it? -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at at time" |
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Post by cable on Mar 7, 2013 12:08:46 GMT -5
I had deposits down on two of the 454s, from 1981 onward [ as well as a IHMSA version of the 357 max ].....company stopped operations before i ever got them. i also had deposits down on freedom arms casulls from the same time period; took delivery of them in early june 1983.
always regretted not getting the seville 454. did get one seville 357 max, but sold it when i lost interest in the cartridge itself. wish i had it back , of course.
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Post by Lee Martin on Mar 7, 2013 13:02:20 GMT -5
Here's one of the United Sporting Arms 454 ads from 1984:  -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by danny on Mar 8, 2013 0:08:18 GMT -5
Hi, I´m from Germany and I bought some days ago a very rare Seville in .454 from United Sporting Arms with the Number 311 - a dream - like new with wooden grips. My Friends said, I,d better spend the money on a Freedom Arms -the Qualitity should be much better - is that right ? Sorry if there are language mistakes - school is more than 25 years ago.... Best regards from Vlotho Dirk Wow, Very interesting. I didn't know where your townwas at first, but I checked on a map and then saw Minden, where I can often be found at some point each year. I'm often found in other places near you as well. Where do you shoot around there? Danny |
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Post by dutton on Mar 8, 2013 4:48:00 GMT -5
I´ll try to add a photo next time - the revolver is in an "as new" condition with the original box. Dont buy a .454 Mag to shoot 45LC - that´s using a Mercedes GL for lawn mowing....
And Danny: We are almost 9 Miles away from Minden an we shoot there (at the British Forces in Cammer), but mostly indoor in Bad Salzuflen. Outdoor shooting with big guns (.454, .50AE, 375 H+H Heavy Mag., .416 Rigby is in Germany only a few days a year possible - because of Noise.
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Post by whitworth on Mar 8, 2013 6:50:51 GMT -5
Dont buy a .454 Mag to shoot 45LC - that´s using a Mercedes GL for lawn mowing.... Not the way we load the .45 Colt. Lee was simply stating that he doesn't recommend subjecting it to a steady diet of true .454-level ammunition. He's not recommending 14,000 psi .45 Colt loads, but more along the lines of 30,000 psi give or take. |
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Post by majorKAP on Mar 8, 2013 7:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by dutton on Mar 8, 2013 9:38:18 GMT -5
Yes - thats my sweetheart - only the Number is different - 700311.
Hi Witworth, your picture is very nice - 45/70 - which Manufacturer ?
I had a Century Arms 100 in 45/70, but I gave it away......Germanys Administration knows 45/70 only as rifle ammunition, not for revolvers and pistols - a short fun.
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Post by Lee Martin on Mar 8, 2013 9:46:13 GMT -5
Whit's right. I'm not suggesting SAA levels in your Seville. It'll safely handle "Ruger only" and above to include factory Casull. I own 7 of these 454's though and all possess chambers larger than I like for 60,000 PSI. The other concern would be parts. Inevitably the gun is beaten harder at full throttle. Wear and tear ensues and when the internals break you're screwed (Seville stock has long since dried-up). "Ruger Only" to John Linebaugh's "big" 6-shot 45 Colt loads would be ideal in your 454. The latter touches 40,000 PSI and lags only 100 fps behind top-end Casull. I also mentioned the IHMSA marked 454's from 1984. Six were produced in 10.5" and I've been fortunate to acquire two of them. Here's what the topstrap logo looked like:  -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by whitworth on Mar 8, 2013 10:00:51 GMT -5
Yes - thats my sweetheart - only the Number is different - 700311. Hi Witworth, your picture is very nice - 45/70 - which Manufacturer ? I had a Century Arms 100 in 45/70, but I gave it away......Germanys Administration knows 45/70 only as rifle ammunition, not for revolvers and pistols - a short fun. Thank you! It is not a .45/70, but rather a .50 Alaskan that is built on a prototype D-Max frame -- the frame the original .45-70 BFRs were built on. |
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Post by Lee Martin on Mar 8, 2013 12:32:24 GMT -5
BTW, the part breakage I mentioned is in reference to the hand. Sevilles and El Dorados were high quality revolvers but at times they had weak links. For instance, the design used a two-legged flat spring for the trigger and bolt return. Prior to 1984 these were prone to breaking. United Sporting Arms later switched to beryllium copper construction....problem solved. Unfortunately the hand, or pawl as some call it, remained soft until the Chimney Rock guns in '88. From 1974 through 1986 they were injection molded pieces; in other words powdered metal. John Himmelmann was contracting to have forged steel hands made back in 2009. I'll touch base with him again but I'm pretty sure they never made it to production. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carp |
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Post by Lee Martin on Mar 8, 2013 22:15:28 GMT -5
Kap...I've been meaning to ask you. Who cut the wood on your 454? Those are very slick. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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