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Post by subsonic on Aug 14, 2012 10:55:59 GMT -5
Bullet weight and energy just help give a slightly larger margin for error... but not much. Very wise statement.
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Post by whitworth on Aug 14, 2012 11:01:04 GMT -5
Now, with that being said, the 300g + 44 mags were traveling 1,200 fps+, while the 300g+ 45 Colts were going 1,000 fps max... to me, it's about shot placement... Same weight bullet (not taking advantage of the .45's ability to effectively sling heavier lead than the .44), 200 fps slower -- apples to grapes. No offense meant.
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Post by stevemb on Aug 14, 2012 11:52:21 GMT -5
On my 21st b-day, went and bought a Single-Six. Wise beyond my years, I know ! LOL. Then went on to a SBH. If I had made the jump to .45's instead of .44's, I really doubt that the deer I've killed would have survived/known the diff.. A bigger difference is, you can tell, up here in the snowbelts, who wears classic red Duofolds, versus high-tech poly long handlesmostly blue, by their belly-button lint. Have a nice day. stevemb
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Post by sixshot on Aug 14, 2012 11:53:18 GMT -5
This is some good stuff! You can't ignore the obvious though & a bigger (wider) bullet has to make some difference & sometimes it might be "the" difference. A 300 gr 44 maggie, a 300 gr 45 Colt & a 300 gr 475, all at the same velocity & all the same nose profile & where is the advantage? it has to be with the bigger pill, might not be much but there's no denying the wider slug has to have some edge. The bigger diameter slugs can't possibly be worse. But same old story from me, #1 is placement, #2 is penetration & #3 is a sharp skinning knife. One little caveat though.... if you shoot a smaller caliber better than the bigger one's, whats your choice?
Dick
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Post by stevemb on Aug 14, 2012 11:57:47 GMT -5
Do we even want to get into meplat ? You can have a .44 with a wider meplat than a .45... Ooooh, lets leave this'n lay. Nit picking at its finest. stevemb
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Post by whitworth on Aug 14, 2012 12:59:41 GMT -5
Do we even want to get into meplat ? You can have a .44 with a wider meplat than a .45... Ooooh, lets leave this'n lay. Nit picking at its finest. stevemb For a true comparison to be made, the meplats have to match (I am talking about the percentage relative to diameter).
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Post by AxeHandle on Aug 14, 2012 13:34:38 GMT -5
Meplat? Now we can really have fun... Guess that means that we need to make the bullet weight proportionately equal based of diameter too? How about we make the meplat, diameter, and bullet weight equal? I think you'll still see as much in the field variation as you currently see in your 44/45 Comparison.. Seriously. Just trying to inject some humor. You guys continue...
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Post by boxhead on Aug 14, 2012 13:46:38 GMT -5
For the critters that most of us might hunt, up to elk, even moose (which are wimps compared to an elk IME), I seriously doubt the animal will know the difference if properly whacked with a 325 gr 429 or a 335 gr 452, or even a 265 410. Would seem 10" or whatever more penetration doesn't matter a whole lot when a 3/8"+ diameter bullet has already passed though the vitals.
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Post by Frank V on Aug 14, 2012 14:24:44 GMT -5
I would like those who claim there is no difference to immediately box up all of your revolvers over the caliber of .44 Magnum (you can keep your .44 Specials) and ship them to me. I will PM you my shipping address, and will split shipping costs with you (I don't want to burden you too much). Now then, if there is no difference between all of these fine calibers, why use expanding bullets if not to increase the bullet's diameter? Am I opening a can of worms here?? ;D ;D Hey I'll take the .44 Specials! ;D ;D ;D Frank
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Post by olgeorge on Aug 14, 2012 15:57:59 GMT -5
Marshall Stanton of Beartooth Bullets claims that it's not as much the bullet diameter as the meplat diameter. He says that there's not much difference in wound cavity among .41, .44 and .45 given similar weight, velocity and meplat diameter. Can't say myself, as I've never shot a deer with a handgun. His handbook is a very interesting read. L. O. G.
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Post by hammerdown77 on Aug 14, 2012 16:23:53 GMT -5
No one's mentioned sectional density yet? I can't believe it!
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Post by whitworth on Aug 14, 2012 16:44:40 GMT -5
Marshall Stanton of Beartooth Bullets claims that it's not as much the bullet diameter as the meplat diameter. He says that there's not much difference in wound cavity among .41, .44 and .45 given similar weight, velocity and meplat diameter. Can't say myself, as I've never shot a deer with a handgun. His handbook is a very interesting read. L. O. G. Ah yes, but a larger diameter bullet can have a larger meplat than a smaller diameter bullet.
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Post by dlhredfoxx on Aug 14, 2012 18:03:27 GMT -5
No offense taken Whit.. and you may be right... the 44's were 310 Garret Hammerheads... the 45's were 335g Buf bores... so it might be apples and oranges... but they were all mostly DRT regardless... Now, with that being said, the 300g + 44 mags were traveling 1,200 fps+, while the 300g+ 45 Colts were going 1,000 fps max... to me, it's about shot placement... Same weight bullet (not taking advantage of the .45's ability to effectively sling heavier lead than the .44), 200 fps slower -- apples to grapes. No offense meant.
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Post by jwp475 on Aug 14, 2012 20:37:51 GMT -5
Folks that piss on the 41 Magnum often cite caliber and bullet weight when comparing it to the 44. Yet we're not allowed to make the same argument between the 44 and 45? I'll do the math again: 0.429 - 0.410 = 0.019 0.452 - 0.429 = 0.023 The 44 is directly between the two. And ya, maybe we are splitting hairs here but I'll take 45-cal and up any day. I guess it always comes down to this for me. If I were in big bear country I'd take a 500+ grain 500 Linebaugh @ 1,000 fps over a 320 @ 1,350 from a 44. Why you ask? Because in penetration tests the Linebaugh bores 10 plus inches over the 44 and does so with a bigger hole. And these aren't arm-chair ballistics, I've seen them firsthand. As for control and shot placement, I find 500 Linebaughs at 1,000 fps to be easier on the wrist than full-throttle 44 Magnums. But maybe that's just me. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" Lee has hit the nail on the head
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Post by subsonic on Aug 14, 2012 21:06:40 GMT -5
Marshall Stanton of Beartooth Bullets claims that it's not as much the bullet diameter as the meplat diameter. He says that there's not much difference in wound cavity among .41, .44 and .45 given similar weight, velocity and meplat diameter. Can't say myself, as I've never shot a deer with a handgun. His handbook is a very interesting read. L. O. G. If you want straight penetration, you need to have a certain shape. And a full wadcutter is not it.
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