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Post by AxeHandle on Aug 7, 2012 13:06:12 GMT -5
John says that Douglas can provide 14 twist 41 caliber barrels. You guys interested in 250+ grain bullets in your 41 mags may want to add 14 twist to your barrel length specification. You did read that John Taffin recommended the 14 twist that we see in the FA 41 didn't you? You also read where JT wrote that a FA 41 was the most accurate revolver he has ever seen...
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Post by Lee Martin on Aug 7, 2012 13:19:46 GMT -5
You wanna know the truth Axe? The difference between 1:14, 1:16, and 1:18 twist in 41 is almost nill. I've shot all three across a very wide range of 41 weights (210 - 335 grains). Everything from 41 Mag to 414 SuperMag to 5-shot 41's. You're really splitting hairs when we get into 1:14 vs. 1:16, etc. The velocities are just too low to make a big difference. I pay way more attention to twist rates in rifles. With handguns it's secondary at best. You may think I've crazy but what does FA use on their 454's? 1:24 if I'm not mistaken. Those guns drive tacks with weights ranging from 260 - 390. I'm sure this'll spark some debate, but this is what I've observed over 12+ custom 41's and tens of thousands of rounds. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by AxeHandle on Aug 7, 2012 13:59:49 GMT -5
Not worth more than a good solid discussion from my perspective. The FA 14 twist would be 30% faster than the Ruger 20 twist. That is a pretty good jump. The DW and S&W are 10% faster than the Ruger. When we see someone with heavy bullet woes with a 41 is it usually a stock Ruger barrel? For my dollars if a 14 twist is good enough for FA it just might be good enough for my custom. So, if the cost of the barrel is the same I plan to go 14 twist for my 41 barrels.
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Post by 450ak on Aug 7, 2012 14:33:00 GMT -5
A 32 twist on my 45 Colt will stabilize 360 grain Keith bullets way past Ft. Mudge or any other bullet that will shoot long range. I think about everything we shoot is over stabilized.
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Post by Lee Martin on Aug 7, 2012 15:25:40 GMT -5
A 32 twist on my 45 Colt will stabilize 360 grain Keith bullets way past Ft. Mudge or any other bullet that will shoot long range. I think about everything we shoot is over stabilized. Exactly. There's nothing wrong with 1:14", but it's not an absolute must for stabilizing heavy bullets in the 41. Especially with velocities well under 1,500 fps. And Axe, I get the percent difference between 1:14 and 1:20. That's obvious. But when you hear about folks not being able to shoot heavies in stock 1:20 Ruger blank is it really the twist? I'd suggest that it's not. I've used premium 1:20 on a couple of my 41's and they tear ragged holes with 295 gr SSKs. Cylinder alignment, forcing cone spec, the possibility of barrel constriction at the shank, and more importantly the shooter can impact accuracy way more than twist. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by bud on Aug 7, 2012 17:41:48 GMT -5
I shoot SSK and H&G 250 gr CB almost exclusively in all of my 41's. The DW 10" is scoped and is the most accurate revolver I've ever shot. 10" TC barrel I had to bore the throats out to accept a larger CB. All my rugers are deadnuts with the 250's but the 41 Bisley I would put up against anything including an FA. If JT says the FA 41 is the most accurate revolver he's ever seen....that is really saying something. I never considered twist on any of my 41's...except the Redhawk 5" which will stablize my 250's. I have shot 275's in it but I'm recoil shy and couldn't shoot damn thing well enough to tell.
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Post by bigmuddy on Aug 7, 2012 18:12:28 GMT -5
I one time loaded a batch of 265gr. CP bullets for my Ruger 41, before I read what John Taffin wrote about the twist rate needed for the heavy weight bullets. I thought I had probably wasted my time loading them and while I thought about pulling the bullets, I HATE to pull bullets. Decided to to pull them by shooting the gun, and found the most accurate 41 mag load ever in my Blackhawk. Shot the gun/load out to 100 yards with great accuracy.
Dan
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Post by AxeHandle on Aug 7, 2012 18:26:29 GMT -5
I'm really glad that you guys like what you have.. Simplifies life. Personally, at the same cost, I'll stick with my plan for 14 twist octagon barrels.
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Post by joemack41 on Aug 7, 2012 20:59:04 GMT -5
If nothing else, it'll look cool on the gun. I really like the looks of octagonal barrels. Just can't afford them. I did get one of the "mistakes" ruger put out in Bisley form. It's a 1:16 and shoots the 265gr LFNGC like nobody's business. I don't really shoot anything heavier than the 250grLFNGC as my main hunting load. It's killed everything from picket pins to range cows, duiker to red hartebeest. Why go heavier?
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Post by majorKAP on Aug 7, 2012 22:15:52 GMT -5
Smoothbore works just as well as any twist for guns not being shot. ;D
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Post by Lee Martin on Aug 7, 2012 22:35:49 GMT -5
Smoothbore works just as well as any twist for guns not being shot. ;D Now that's funny -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by AxeHandle on Aug 8, 2012 7:14:03 GMT -5
You boys have missed your true calling. You need to go on tour as comedians! ;D ;D ;D Call it the way you want. FWIW On the subject of handgun accuracy I may not be much of a gun builder but.... I have USAF Distinguished Pistol Shot badge #231, Chief Of National Guard Bureau Chief's Fifty badge #124P, hold a Master classification in NRA Outdoor pistol, 2600 Club, AAA classification in both Small Bore and Centerfire NRA Hunter's Pistol, past member of the All National Guard International Combat Team, and past member of the All National Guard National Match Pistol team. Somewhere along the way I picked up a bronze EIC Rifle badge too... Spent a lot of hours along the way picking the brains of national record holder National Natch pistol, High Power rifle and Bench Rest rifle shooters. Counted the man I considered the best bullseye pistol builder in the country as a good friend. So I'll say that from a competitive shooter's prospective, when you ask, "Does the barrel twist matter? My answer is, "Maybe not to you but to me, Yes"
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Post by Lee Martin on Aug 8, 2012 7:55:41 GMT -5
I spent many years shooting competitive benchrest rifle too Axe and yes, twist rate matters there. My point was that in a short barreled, low velocity round like the 41 the difference between 1:14, 1:16, and even 1:20 is immaterial (at least from my experience). But I'd love to be proved wrong. Maybe take a few of your 41's and conduct some tests. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by AxeHandle on Aug 8, 2012 8:06:40 GMT -5
With luck and a little time we'll get barrels, have guns built, and even get to the range..
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Post by agrizz on Aug 8, 2012 9:32:05 GMT -5
I have never checked the twist in a .41 Redhawk that I have. I do know that it shoots quite well with a 210 grain hard cast RCBS bullets. There is a scope 2X Leupold mounted on this revolver. How I aquired this revolver is a story in itself that I may add at a later date.
There was a shooting range In Golden Colorado at which the Coors Shutzenfest was held annually and now it is held in Raton at the NRA center. Bud and I along with a couple of other friends were at the range practicing just for fun. After a while it was a little boring to shoot at the 50 and 100 yds.
I saw a target at 200 that had been there all the while we were shooting and asked if it belonged to anyone. It was one of the nice shutzen targets. I rested the ruger across sand bags and fired off a cylinder full and basically forgot about it until the cease fire.
During the cease fire the owner of the target showed up. He went up to collect his clean target and found that there were 6 holes in it that he had not put there. Don was the man’s name and he returned to the firing line not just a little upset but really upset that someone would shoot up his target. I told him we had asked around and no one put claim to the target so I had fired the holes in his target.
He Looked over at the revolvers and said there was no way in hell that anyone with a revolver could shoot a sub 4 inch group on a target at 200 yards with a piece of sh_ _ stupid revolver. He claimed that only a rifle could do that. He stormed away and all we could do was shrug our shoulders and laugh. We still talk about this when we need a laugh.
.41 mag guns will shoot extremely well if they are loaded properly. Now for the 14 twist I would like to try one however I have to wear this Redhawk out first. I have a number of others as well, Smith, 3 screws and customs that I must use up. Looks like a barrel change any time soon may be out of the question at least in this lifetime.
Not sure when I would add a 250 grain. I have 44's to take care of this area.
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