update, no body armor, just a tac vest was

[robl]

in Holmes property receipt. Still, the Mozambique drill would have prevailed
link here:
Link to PDF of police receipt of Holmes property no armor just paint ball gear... Media yet again f's it up. When do you stop watching these fools and propagandists and send THEM to the un-employment lines! ace.mu.nu/archives/331266.php

[Frank V]

Yet another sterling reporting account by our unbiased media?

I like Rob's idea of putting them along with our current african dictator on the unemployment rolls.
Frank

[caryc]

So all those idiots that are spouting that even if there was someone there with a CCW they couldn't have stopped him anyway are not going to come out on the media and admit they were wrong, are they?

My take on it is that if there was someone close to him with a concealed weapon and pumped 4 or 5 slugs into his body armor (if he really had it) it would have stunned him enough for a bunch of people to rush him and disarm him. But of course you won't hear anything like that on the media.

[robl]

If the Mozambique drill would have been used, it would not have mattered. as it was the media and even folks on the right spread this mantra of loose all hope there is not a chance etc....; so, now what am I gonna do with this pair Fn 5.7s I just ordered... I'll send them to Turnbull!:-)

I agree with the gist of this as well.

[frank1]

caryc:

So all those idiots that are spouting that even if there was someone there with a CCW they couldn't have stopped him anyway are not going to come out on the media and admit they were wrong, are they?

As usual, the wormwood creeps in. Now the media is there to tell us how CCW holders are worthless nimcomepoops. Some friends they are, the media. With friends like these, who needs enemies?

www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/26/why-own-assault-rifle/

[callshot]

I would hate to use the Mozambique, but I wouldn't have wasted any time in that situation. I imagine that now they will start screaning movie goers like the TSA does to get on an airplane. Of course I am taking my nap about midnight. Steve

[Snyd]

I wonder if he was wearing body armor under the tactical vest.

[robl]

read the LINK yourself; NO armor at all. It has copies of the property receipt it would have been there right next to his BVDs... He was wearing paint ball gear: drop down leg pouches throat guard etc...
Why one any "hate to use the Mozambique drill" ... get trained, go armed.

[Fowler]

Even with body armor I have a feeling that if someone would have hit the little prick in the chest once or twice the fight would have gone out of him. He sure didnt try and put up fight with the police, he is a coward who didnt intend to die.

To say one man with a CCW would have drastically changed the outcome is really hard too say. So many varibles as to what was going on, but I know I wouldn't stand in line waiting for my ticket to be punched. It does reenforce my policy of CCW, I carry only on days of the week that ens in "y"...

[Mountaineer]

Jul 27, 2012 12:39:14 GMT -5 Snyd said:

I wonder if he was wearing body armor under the tactical vest.

Don't know for sure yet. CBS News quotes an unnamed federal law enforcement source as saying he bought some kind of body armor from EBay. Now that would make sense (in terms of a source). Who knows, though?

You all ought to read the "Statement Regarding the Colorado Shooting" posted on the TacticalGear.com web site (where the shooter purchased the 5.11 gear) a few days ago. It's really offensive how this good business has been treated because of their having sold the equipment.

The thing is, though (as others here have said), if there had been a competent, armed citizen in the theater, this might have turned out differently, irrespective of whether he was wearing armor. I don't know if any of you have ever been shot while wearing a kevlar vest or seen the result on anyone who has, but it's not pretty. A solid hit on a ballistic vest with a high performance handgun round will get anyone's attention, leave horrible bruises, contusions, and will at times break bone. So I'm not buying into the notion that nobody could have made a difference if they'd been armed, or that they'd have made the situation worse...

[dougader]

Add to all of this that these kinds of idiots are still just cowards of the worse sort, and I think a couple of shots in his general direction and this little Nancy would have scrambled for the door. Now a couple hits to the chest and I think this would have been over right now.

[bagdadjoe]

I remember some years ago a police officer was shot with a .44 mag, hit him smack in the middle of his "bullet proof vest" and killed him. Doctor said it was like someone hitting him with an 8lb sledge and simply stopped his heart even though it didn't penetrate the vest. Body armor is an added level of protection but it's not a magical force field that repels all comers. This guy had made a pretty safe assumption that no one would be shooting back, probably knew that Aurora had anti carry laws and that no LEO's were around. He may have been crazy, but he wasn't stupid. With the level of planning he did before hand he probably knew exactly what he was facing.....nothing. I'm surprised that no one has come forward saying they left their weapon in their car rather than break the no-carry law and get arrested themselves.

[olddoc]

I'm curious about the supposed 100 round drum magazine that malfunctioned. While watching the first video from the scene, I noted an AR-15 lying on the pavement just outside a doorway, that supposedly belonged to the shooter. It had a conventional straight magazine, probably a 20 -30 round version.

[subsonic]

In a situation like this, the facts are always scarce. The media just wants ratings and mold-able viewing audience.

I lump anyone in the media in with politicians, lobbyists and lawyers.

[Mountaineer]

Jul 27, 2012 16:24:27 GMT -5 olddoc said:

I'm curious about the supposed 100 round drum magazine that malfunctioned. While watching the first video from the scene, I noted an AR-15 lying on the pavement just outside a doorway, that supposedly belonged to the shooter. It had a conventional straight magazine, probably a 20 -30 round version.

Again, hard to tell. But if indeed he was employing a 100 round drum magazine on the AR-15, there's little wonder it malfunctioned. Those oversize magazines might seem cool or exotic to the uninitiated, but they're notoriously unreliable, as oversized mags often are. Remember the 30 round Glock mags the goofball tried to use in the Giffords shooting? The fact that one malfunctioned probably prevented him from murdering ever more innocent people...