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Post by nobearsyet on Jun 29, 2009 10:45:18 GMT -5
I went back and reread selected chapters of Taffin's 44 book and found the stuff on Lachuk there, but was unaware of Whelen, Ackley, and Hatcher's involvement.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 10:47:26 GMT -5
Dear MR. Taffin, R.E. "Any help?" nobearsyet was seeking more info about the individuals comprising "The Associates" and I submitted what I did for his [hopefull] benifit.
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Post by nobearsyet on Jun 29, 2009 10:50:16 GMT -5
It was in fact benificial, do you know any more about them?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 11:02:26 GMT -5
nobearsyet; No, I don't know anymore than what I posted. I should have stated that my post that starts "By 1948 the factory..." was lifted from the 24hourcampfire.com forum, posted by "generalstuart". Apologies.
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Post by nobearsyet on Jun 29, 2009 11:19:24 GMT -5
I'll have to head over that way
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Post by nonpcnrarn on Jun 29, 2009 12:22:22 GMT -5
I have actually read Taffin's 44 book cover to cover (couldn't put it down as a matter of fact) but was wondering things more along the lines of were there any other notable members besides Elmer Keith, an approximate timeframe, where can I find a photocopy of one of their flyers, did they get together like the shootists do (I really need to join them), basically eveything, maybe we can get lucky and Taffin might chime in on this one as he seems to know a bit about them IIRC, the Shootists as a group will invite you to be a member. You can't join. If I interpret things correctly you are invited to join based on your contribution to the shooting fraternity. It is a rather exclusive group and I have no problem with that. Much of what the Shootists have contributed to shooting is now taken as general knowledge. Some daring pioneers had to blaze the trail, sometimes with Kabooms. A library could be filled with the works of these gentlemen. I benefit from the knowledge they have documented in their writings. I don't have to push a gun to its limits because I know in advance what will happen. When you do a aol web search of Keith Load and find at least ten pages of references with the word Keith, you are talking about a Shootist. The same aol search of the name John Taffin will result in more than 10 pages, again a shootist. Such a group is joined by invitation only. It is exclusive for a reason.
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Post by taffin on Jun 29, 2009 14:08:30 GMT -5
Dear MR. Taffin, R.E. "Any help?" nobearsyet was seeking more info about the individuals comprising "The Associates" and I submitted what I did for his [hopefull] benifit. NOW I UNDERSTAND
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Post by taffin on Jun 29, 2009 14:12:32 GMT -5
I have actually read Taffin's 44 book cover to cover (couldn't put it down as a matter of fact) but was wondering things more along the lines of were there any other notable members besides Elmer Keith, an approximate timeframe, where can I find a photocopy of one of their flyers, did they get together like the shootists do (I really need to join them), basically eveything, maybe we can get lucky and Taffin might chime in on this one as he seems to know a bit about them IIRC, the Shootists as a group will invite you to be a member. You can't join. If I interpret things correctly you are invited to join based on your contribution to the shooting fraternity. It is a rather exclusive group and I have no problem with that. Much of what the Shootists have contributed to shooting is now taken as general knowledge. Some daring pioneers had to blaze the trail, sometimes with Kabooms. A library could be filled with the works of these gentlemen. I benefit from the knowledge they have documented in their writings. I don't have to push a gun to its limits because I know in advance what will happen. When you do a aol web search of Keith Load and find at least ten pages of references with the word Keith, you are talking about a Shootist. The same aol search of the name John Taffin will result in more than 10 pages, again a shootist. Such a group is joined by invitation only. It is exclusive for a reason. I DO KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THEM SINCE I FOUNDED THE GROUP IN 1986. AND THE GENTLEMAN IS CORRECT; YOU CANNOT "JOIN" THEM.
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Post by COR on Jun 29, 2009 14:15:22 GMT -5
I have actually read Taffin's 44 book cover to cover (couldn't put it down as a matter of fact) but was wondering things more along the lines of were there any other notable members besides Elmer Keith, an approximate timeframe, where can I find a photocopy of one of their flyers, did they get together like the shootists do (I really need to join them), basically eveything, maybe we can get lucky and Taffin might chime in on this one as he seems to know a bit about them IIRC, the Shootists as a group will invite you to be a member. You can't join. If I interpret things correctly you are invited to join based on your contribution to the shooting fraternity. If internet posts count "nobearsyet" is a shoe in. Sorry, I couldn't resist...no offense meant
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Post by Frank V on Jun 29, 2009 22:43:50 GMT -5
I enjoy reading about the "Shootists" meetings! Frank
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Post by CraigC on Jun 29, 2009 23:14:47 GMT -5
Me too! I especially liked seeing the pictures from Murbach's wedding.
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Post by nobearsyet on Jun 30, 2009 11:15:12 GMT -5
none taken COR, BTW, (and this might be covered in another post by some one else) Lachuk was indeed a 44 Associate
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Post by shorty500 on Jul 5, 2009 16:48:59 GMT -5
I DO NOT RECALL SEEING ANY LOADS BY MY FRIEND JOHN LACHUK IN THE .44 ASSOCIATES BOOKLET. JOHN'S LANCER .44 IS COVERED IN MY .44 BOOK. I HAVE SHOT DICK CASULL'S .44 MAGNUM COLT SAA ALONG WITH BRIAN PEARCE YEARS AGO AND AND BRIAN JUST BOUGHT IT FROM HIM. maybe i got it wrong by assuming JT, i was going on the basis of how LaChuk refered to his "treasured copy" of the Associates compiled loading data that perhaps he was one. i remember you writting of shooting Casull's .44. was it a 6 or 5 shot on that SAA frame? all i really remember is that you made reference to shooting it and the ferocious recoil it had in one of your books.
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Post by nobearsyet on Jul 5, 2009 19:11:44 GMT -5
Lachuk was indeed one of the associates, I'm attempting (and quite unsuccessfully I might add) to compile a list of all of the members
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Post by stbryson on Oct 20, 2011 23:51:10 GMT -5
Hello,
This is an old topic, but I thought some might still be interested. In the 44 Associates booklet compiled by Lawrence Newton in July 1945, each of the listed loads shows a source. The source identification is as follows:
Assoc. - Reliable data from 44 Associates files Auth. - Competent ballistic authorities who prefer anonymity B&M - B&M Handbook, Belding & Mull, Philipsburg, Pa. Boser - Gordon C. Boser, Springville, N.Y. Chapman - George V. Chapman, Harrington Park, N.J. Farr - Eric M. Farr, Packanack Lake, N.J. Ideal - Ideal Handbook, Lyman Gun Sight Corp., Middlefield, Conn. Keith - Elmer Keith, North Fork, Idaho Landon - J.W. Landon, Pittsburgh, Pa. Mosgrove - R.G. Mosgrove, Carrollton, Ky. Ness - F.C. Ness, National Rifle Association Newton - Lawrence I. Newton, Auburn, Mass. Sharpe - Capt. Philip B. Sharpe, Baltimore, Md. Smith -J.A. Smith, Palos Verdes estates, Calif. Spence - George W. Spence, Steele, Mo. Thompson - Ray C. Thompson, Grand Marais, Minn. White - Norman P. White, Hornell, N.Y. Yancey - O.L. Yancey, Monett, Mo.
This is by no means a list of all members of the group. I don't know if he was a member or not, but one of the booklets I have, "Copy No. 26 of Two Hundred", carries the handwritten inscription,
"This copy of .44 Special loads is for Bob Nichols; who as Arms and Ammunition editor of Field and Stream has done so much to make shooting safe and more enjoyable.
Lawrence I Newton August 15, 1945"
Bob Nichols later wrote the book, Secrets of Double-Action Shooting, in published in 1950.
Take care,
Steve Bryson
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