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Post by frank1 on Jun 13, 2012 19:19:31 GMT -5
Whitworth: Good info., Whitworth. Thanks! jwp Bigboredad:During that time I tried the the pachmayer grip big mistake it tore the the skin from my hand and not just a little bit. So that kind of shoots holes in your rubber grips are perfect for hard kicking guns. I think rubber is ugly and nowhere near as comfortable as a set of proper hand filling wood or micarta grips
Spot on I could not agree more I think the best grips are hard rubber finger groove, but different strokes.
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Post by jwp475 on Jun 13, 2012 19:35:47 GMT -5
Whitworth: Good info., Whitworth. Thanks! jwp Bigboredad:During that time I tried the the pachmayer grip big mistake it tore the the skin from my hand and not just a little bit. So that kind of shoots holes in your rubber grips are perfect for hard kicking guns. I think rubber is ugly and nowhere near as comfortable as a set of proper hand filling wood or micarta grips
Spot on I could not agree more I think the best grips are hard rubber finger groove[/, but different strokes. So did I until I tried something better
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Post by hammerdown77 on Jun 13, 2012 19:48:10 GMT -5
Grips are just such an individual thing. My brother and I have about the same size hands (his fingers might be a little thicker), and when we shoot a Super Blackhawk Dragoon frame (with the square back trigger guard), his hand gets torn up, and I don't have a mark on me. Seriously, NOTHING on that grip frame hurts me. I can shoot full power 44 magnum, one handed, and be fine.
I think the rubber grips on the BFR, while not the most attractive option out there, work well IF they fit your hand. Also, I am wearing a thin glove when I shoot mine. I know barehanded, with heavy recoil, the grip can tear at your skin (I have a SRH in 454 with rubber Hogue grips that will do this). With a thin glove, it works great and it's much easier to shoot tighter groups because you're not having to use all your strength to keep the gun from rotating in your hand, and that rotation is "fixed" and basically the same from shot to shot.
My biggest complaint with the Bisley is the way my trigger finger hits the trigger. I don't know WHAT it is that causes this, but my trigger finger never feels "at home" when I'm shooting a Bisley. I can make it work, and there's no denying that it is one of the best grips for recoil control. I have some of the same issue with the Freedom Arms grip, although not as bad. For me, the most natural as far as hand position is the plow handle.
Again, entirely dependent on your hand size and shape and how you hold a revolver.
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Post by whitworth on Jun 13, 2012 20:04:14 GMT -5
I have posted this before, but this Huntington modified Bisley doesn't smack my finger into the trigger guard while a stock Bisley will under some circumstances. It's a subtle modification, but it works and takes all of the potential bite out of the Bisley. That said, I actually think I like the modified plow even more. But don't tell anyone!
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Post by whitworth on Jun 13, 2012 20:46:52 GMT -5
And another poorly shot photo of the rubber BFR grip next to a Bisley -- notice the similarities on the front side -- again, nearly vertical like the Bisley.
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Post by tek4260 on Jun 13, 2012 20:56:53 GMT -5
I don't suppose I am anti Bisley. I started with them when I got into SA shooting. After reading Linebaugh I got a 45 Colt and made it a Bisley and was content. But, after trying a few Supers I realized I like them much better, even though they do roll a bit and let the hammer bite from time to time. The Bisley, to me, kicks harder on the base of my palm and beats my elbows on the bench. All in all it is just different strokes..... FWIW, you should really try some thin grips on a Super. They allow you to really grip the revolver as compared to factory thickness grips or the awful oversize things.
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Post by hammerdown77 on Jun 13, 2012 21:07:45 GMT -5
I don't suppose I am anti Bisley. I started with them when I got into SA shooting. After reading Linebaugh I got a 45 Colt and made it a Bisley and was content. But, after trying a few Supers I realized I like them much better, even though they do roll a bit and let the hammer bite from time to time. The Bisley, to me, kicks harder on the base of my palm and beats my elbows on the bench. All in all it is just different strokes..... FWIW, you should really try some thin grips on a Super. They allow you to really grip the revolver as compared to factory thickness grips or the awful oversize things. Whose grips are those, teK?
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Post by tek4260 on Jun 13, 2012 21:27:23 GMT -5
Those top ones are Pvt Schultz holly grips. Here is a better picture of them on my BFR. The bottom grips are just factory grips sanded down.
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Post by Cucuy on Jun 13, 2012 21:37:05 GMT -5
Fair warning. I'm taking a study break...on musculoskeletal review for my upcoming exam.
Ohnomrbillk,
Stop slacking off with internet silliness! Origin and insertion of the cremaster muscle, now!
Dr. Cucuy
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Post by subsonic on Jun 13, 2012 21:41:49 GMT -5
I like redheads. So there!
And Dodges too!
Seriously guys, if something works for someone and they like it, why argue?
I'm somewhere between the Hunter/BFR style grip and the Bisley. The Huntington modified BFR might be my "perfection", but I have never tried one. I know that there was a pretty big difference when I had micarta fitted to my .500JRH and compared that to the stock rubber grips - but I want to do some further testing. I have a Bisley grip frame modified to fit a BFR that I will, when I get rountuit, swap onto either my .475 or .500JRH and compare.
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Post by dlhredfoxx on Jun 13, 2012 22:13:10 GMT -5
I've tried shooting "Ruger Only" 45 Colt loads in my Vaqueros with the XR3 Red grip frames and it is hard to control and rather painful. They come way back towards my head... I can't even imagine shooting anything hotter than that w/out a Bisley grip frame... Even my SBH 44mag with really hot loads is hard to control, better than the XR3 Red, but still harder to control than a Bisley. To me, the Bisley grip frame is the best, and with a slightly rounded butt they feel even better... no sharp corners to bite the hands.
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Post by ohnomrbillk on Jun 14, 2012 0:41:00 GMT -5
ohnomrbillk: That makes sense now that you explained it. I can see how a large caliber, light weight magnum revolver would benefit from Bisley. Fortunately, for myself, my BFR's are of greater weight so I can shoot the large caliber and benefit from the pointing ability of the plow handle. Right? That was a great post. I do appreciate you taking your time to explain it. Good luck on your exam! Take into consideration that the rubber BFR grips change the grip angle considerably. Put some standard profile wood or micarta grips on it and you will see that the dynamic changes considerably. With the rubber grips, they are not nearly as "plow handle like" as they are with grips that follow the contour and dimensions of the grip frame. frank1, Whitworth is spot on. As his picture shows, the rubber grip frame changes the grip angle. Your revolver may weigh more being a BFR, but in a serious caliber with a serious load behind it, it will still bite you. I'm glad my anatomy lesson was beneficial. Boxing all through undergrad, I learned quickly what a wrist feels like in several positions. My more recent studies of medicine, and my pursuit of big bore revolvers have let me come to understand a parallel can be drawn on the grip angle. Spoken from a 300 pound man with a big set of paws, for factory Ruger, Bisley is king. FA is better. AND ALL THESE PICTURES OF HUNTINGTONS GRIP FRAME ARE GOING TO COST ME MONEY
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Post by ohnomrbillk on Jun 14, 2012 0:46:32 GMT -5
Fair warning. I'm taking a study break...on musculoskeletal review for my upcoming exam. Ohnomrbillk, Stop slacking off with internet silliness! Origin and insertion of the cremaster muscle, now! Dr. Cucuy Dr. Cucuy, Origin is the Inguinal ligament Insertion is the Tunica vaginalis But no matter how strong my cremasters are, this board exam has me by the......things elevated by the cremaster muscles
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Post by AxeHandle on Jun 14, 2012 6:42:11 GMT -5
Any of you guys have one of Gary Reeder Magnum grip frames? I think he is getting the extra room that Huntington's modification provides and adds a little length too. He offered my one on my last 500 max but I just can't stand the way it looks. I'll spring for one some day.. Got a few projects in the cue ahead of it right now..
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Post by whitworth on Jun 14, 2012 6:47:16 GMT -5
Seriously guys, if something works for someone and they like it, why argue? The "why" comes from statements like this: "Bisley was designed for one-handed shooting wimpy loads. JH's modification is good. The best for the recoilers are rubber grips. " It's just patently wrong. I agree that the choice is subjective, but many of us didn't arrive at our conclusions based on the false premise that the Bisley grip was designed for one-handed shooting and "wimpy loads" as was later stated. This is a flasehood -- not in the case of the original Bisley, but Ruger's version circa 1986 which is a whole different animal that barely resembles the original. While it is subjective, there is a real reason why the major gun builders retrofit the Bisley grip frame on the heavy recoilers, and it wasn't based on conjecture, false premises, or even a scientific wild ass guess. To ignore this fact is like burying your head in the sand. And it's all because one guy on the internet dislikes this particular frame because it smacks him in the finger. Therefore, the Bisley is a bad grip frame. Is it not absurd? Now, if someone says they prefer one grip over the other, what's to argue about? I can't tell someone what they like or dislike. But, when someone makes incorrect statements or conculsions based on a preference, it should be combated.
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