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Post by frank1 on Jun 13, 2012 14:38:36 GMT -5
Whitworth: Are you here to cook things up or to participate in this great forum? Why so defensive? You remind me of Ted Nugent when he doesn't get his way.
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Post by whitworth on Jun 13, 2012 14:45:36 GMT -5
Whitworth: Are you here to cook things up or to participate in this great forum? Why so defensive? You remind me of Ted Nugent when he doesn't get his way. Defensive? When you come here quoting correspondence between you and Jim, I am making the assumption -- knowing he was kicked off here -- that you have an agenda. Am I correct or should I keep guessing?
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Post by jwp475 on Jun 13, 2012 14:49:53 GMT -5
edk While I do not dispute the Ruger Bisley's superior recoil handling ability(relative to plowhandle) Bisley was designed for one-handed shooting wimpy loads. JH's modification is good. The best for the recoilers are rubber grips. Where do you people come up with this BS, The Ruger Bisley is not identical to the Colt Bisley grip. The Ruger Bisley is closer to the Keith #5 grip frame and no they were not designed for "one handed wimp' shooting The Huntington mod to the "plow handle makes the grip closer to a Ruger Bisley than a plow handle. You claim that it is intended for "wimp shooting" and that is total BS. You sound like a bfrshooter/44man clone. Totaly clueless You clearly have no clue and are looking to cook up sh!t that is clear
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 13, 2012 15:10:20 GMT -5
Whitworth: Are you here to cook things up or to participate in this great forum? Why so defensive? You remind me of Ted Nugent when he doesn't get his way. Frank...I realize you're new here. So let me give you some background. 44Man used to be on this forum as BFRshooter. He was entitled to his opinion but he pushed it too far and wouldn't let up. Was pretty good at jabbing people too. The end result? I banned him. I encourage varying opinions but once the mud slinging starts, you're warned. If it continues, you're gone. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by jwp475 on Jun 13, 2012 15:13:49 GMT -5
IMHO, any discussion is irrelevant. It simply works. It doesn't work for everybody but it works for most. You simply have to find what works best for you. That includes finding what grip panel contour works best as well. We're all different. +1! Before I bought my first SA revolver, I worked in a local toy shop w/access to numerous tools. I'd been playing around with some of the different SAs thinking I'd like one but the standard Colt SAA & Ruger BH grips just didn't fit my hand. They were too short - I could only get two fingers on them, pinky was wrapped underneath. They also pointed up when my wrist and forearm were in a natural shooting position - I had to crane my wrist down to put the sights on target. We had a Bisley or two in stock but I didn't pay it much attention... until I read John Linebaugh's articles advocating the Bisley for better recoil control of heavy kicking calibers. Once I picked one up, I immediately realized that it fit my hand better (can get all three fingers fully on the grip) and pointed better (far less wrist craning) without firing a shot. So I bought one and after comparing the recoil and shootability, it's hard for me to really like standard grip frames. I do have a flattop convertible with the standard grip frame, but it won't get anything but standard loads. I haven't shot a FA M83 or a BFR enough to compare, but Huntington's grip extension sounds like a great idea to me. As to the drivel from 44Man... well, some folks were sure the world was going to end back in May, too! 44man is so wrong and has never ever sho one withtout the rubber grips that effectively change the grip angle form a "plow handle". Thus making them handle recoil more like a Bisley When we speak of "Custom" grip we are talking about a set that properly fits your hand to properly spread the recoil Clueless taken to a new level, 44man has been banned on more than one site for the same reason, "too much BS"
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Post by dlhredfoxx on Jun 13, 2012 15:20:25 GMT -5
I also like a grip that is not so thick and not as flared at the bottom on regardless of whether its a XR3/XR3Red, SBH or Bisley. The FAT factory Ruger OEM grip profile, in my hands, are just too thick at the bottom, causing the gun to roll up even more. I like it almost the same thickness at the neck of the grip as I do down at the butt of the grip, maybe just slightly thicker at the base, but not a flare that starts around mid grip and increases towards the bottom. I like to be able to get my fingers all the way around the belly of the grip to hold on better. Too fat and it starts sliding around, even with a shooting glove, and even with a non slick surface finish on the grip. That's just me anyway... so what I'm trying to say is that to some degree I think it's also the grip shape and surface finish as secondary contributors to the grip frame style/shape.
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Post by frank1 on Jun 13, 2012 16:19:26 GMT -5
Lee Martin: I encourage varying opinions but once the mud slinging starts, you're warned. If it continues, you're gone. I understand. He started out calling me 'Jim'. I didn't whine or wimper, I just then followed by giving him Jim's exact wording. I want to do my own investigation. I'm glad jwp has jumped in with more good info. He gets a little defensive but I will overlook his.
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Post by subsonic on Jun 13, 2012 16:28:50 GMT -5
Oh boy.
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Post by Frank V on Jun 13, 2012 17:37:50 GMT -5
Whitworth: Are you here to cook things up or to participate in this great forum? Why so defensive? You remind me of Ted Nugent when he doesn't get his way. Frank...I realize you're new here. So let me give you some background. 44Man used to be on this forum as BFRshooter. He was entitled to his opinion but he pushed it too far and wouldn't let up. Was pretty good at jabbing people too. The end result? I banned him. I encourage varying opinions but once the mud slinging starts, you're warned. If it continues, you're gone. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" Lee, thanks for keeping a very good forum. It must be a thankless job at times. I really enjoy it here, thanks for all you do. Frank
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Post by whitworth on Jun 13, 2012 17:38:25 GMT -5
I called you Jim because you were posing his argument. Look at the BFR grip frame with one panel of the rubber grip removed. Excuse the quality of the picture as I used my cell phone, but you can clearly see how significantly it changes grip angle giving it a more vertical profile -- much like (I hate to say it!) a Bisley (but not nearly as pleasing or soothing to the eye - ;D).
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Post by bigboredad on Jun 13, 2012 18:30:03 GMT -5
I used to shoot a .44 in a super black hawk for 10 years before I saw the light and switched to the .45 colt. During that time I tried the the pachmayer grip big mistake it tore the the skin from my hand and not just a little bit. So that kind of shoots holes in your rubber grips are perfect for hard kicking guns. I think rubber is ugly and nowhere near as comfortable as a set of proper hand filling wood or micarta grips
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Post by jwp475 on Jun 13, 2012 18:36:43 GMT -5
I used to shoot a .44 in a super black hawk for 10 years before I saw the light and switched to the .45 colt. During that time I tried the the pachmayer grip big mistake it tore the the skin from my hand and not just a little bit. So that kind of shoots holes in your rubber grips are perfect for hard kicking guns. I think rubber is ugly and nowhere near as comfortable as a set of proper hand filling wood or micarta grips Spot on I could not agree more
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Post by dlhredfoxx on Jun 13, 2012 18:43:15 GMT -5
I used to shoot a .44 in a super black hawk for 10 years before I saw the light and switched to the .45 colt. During that time I tried the the pachmayer grip big mistake it tore the the skin from my hand and not just a little bit. So that kind of shoots holes in your rubber grips are perfect for hard kicking guns. I think rubber is ugly and nowhere near as comfortable as a set of proper hand filling wood or micarta grips Spot on I could not agree more X3 here, putting rubber grips on a SA is like putting a scope on an old lever gun... square peg in a round hole, IMHO of course.
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Post by whitworth on Jun 13, 2012 19:00:35 GMT -5
I know they define hideous, but they "fix" the grip angle of the BFR and make them shootable in the heavier calibers. But, $300.00 will get you the extension and custom grips to fit your hands..... ;D
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Post by Aggie01 on Jun 13, 2012 19:00:50 GMT -5
Nobody could have sold me on the Ruger Bisley grip frame. ugly, weird whatever
I bought a D Max BFR in 454. And a stainless Bisley kit I put a few hundred heavy loads downrange with the stock setup and then a few hundred bisleyized. And I converted.
Now... maybe you thought the grip was weird when you you shot some 45 acp loads out of your buddy's convertable Acusport.
My collection has pared down to TWO grip frames. Ruger XR3 (Colt SA size) and Ruger Bisley. Everything that needs a large frame Ruger to contain it is a Bisley. Everything smaller is an XR3.
My girlfriend & my dad can both accurately explain the differences in grip frames and their feeling during recoil. They both might shoot in a year what I do in a weekend - and I am a casual shooter on this forum. If you are pulling the trigger on the big hitter's, you get it. If you aren't you don't. You aren't selling me either way - I know what I know. YMMV
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