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Post by whitworth on Jun 13, 2012 6:32:47 GMT -5
ohnomrbillk: That makes sense now that you explained it. I can see how a large caliber, light weight magnum revolver would benefit from Bisley. Fortunately, for myself, my BFR's are of greater weight so I can shoot the large caliber and benefit from the pointing ability of the plow handle. Right? That was a great post. I do appreciate you taking your time to explain it. Good luck on your exam! Take into consideration that the rubber BFR grips change the grip angle considerably. Put some standard profile wood or micarta grips on it and you will see that the dynamic changes considerably. With the rubber grips, they are not nearly as "plow handle like" as they are with grips that follow the contour and dimensions of the grip frame.
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Post by edk on Jun 13, 2012 6:38:48 GMT -5
The Freedom Arms 83 grip frame is closest to a Bisley. In fact, many like it even better. It makes the 454 much more manageable. I am one of those. While I do not dispute the Ruger Bisley's superior recoil handling ability(relative to plowhandle), I did not find it nearly as comfortable in my hand as the FA. Clearly each share the characteristics of reduced flare toward the bottom and a more vertical backstrap. Also, I've noticed that to my eye the Huntington extended BFR grip frame more closely resembles the FA than Ruger Bisley grip frame. One project I'd love to tackle if I could find the time would be to re-profile and extend an aluminum Ruger grip frame in the Huntington style for a mid-frame 44spec/45 Colt application.
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Post by whitworth on Jun 13, 2012 7:31:43 GMT -5
Ed, for $300.00 it's easier to send it to California -- this price includes the custom grip.
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 13, 2012 8:05:01 GMT -5
Here's the aforementioned Huntington grip extension: Worth every penny in my opinion. In fact, I prefer it over the Bisley. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by dlhredfoxx on Jun 13, 2012 9:18:39 GMT -5
Ed, for $300.00 it's easier to send it to California -- this price includes the custom grip. So... let me see if I've grasped this... Huntington will do his grip frame extension AND the grips for $300? If the answer is yes, would someone please PM me his contact info. Does he required the entire gun or just the grip frame?
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Post by hammerdown77 on Jun 13, 2012 9:53:27 GMT -5
Yep, that's a good deal for a grip frame mod and custom grips.
He probably needs the whole gun. On my BFR, the back edge of the cylinder frame hangs into the grip frame a bit where they mate up, such that he'd either have to file that down so the two inside surfaces are flush, or leave a gap with the grip panel fit (which would look bad). I think most BFRs are like this actually, since it's not an issue with the stock rubber grips.
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Post by frank1 on Jun 13, 2012 11:00:41 GMT -5
edk While I do not dispute the Ruger Bisley's superior recoil handling ability(relative to plowhandle) Bisley was designed for one-handed shooting wimpy loads. JH's modification is good. The best for the recoilers are rubber grips.
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Post by hammerdown77 on Jun 13, 2012 11:07:42 GMT -5
edk While I do not dispute the Ruger Bisley's superior recoil handling ability(relative to plowhandle) Bisley was designed for one-handed shooting wimpy loads. JH's modification is good. The best for the recoilers are rubber grips. The original Bisley, yes. It was designed for one handed target shooting. Ruger's Bisley looks nothing like a real Bisley grip. It was designed for heavy recoil.
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Post by CraigC on Jun 13, 2012 11:29:57 GMT -5
The original Bisley, yes. It was designed for one handed target shooting. Ruger's Bisley looks nothing like a real Bisley grip. It was designed for heavy recoil. Exactly!
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Post by whitworth on Jun 13, 2012 11:53:59 GMT -5
edk While I do not dispute the Ruger Bisley's superior recoil handling ability(relative to plowhandle) Bisley was designed for one-handed shooting wimpy loads. JH's modification is good. The best for the recoilers are rubber grips. Okay, Jim.
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Post by frank1 on Jun 13, 2012 12:18:51 GMT -5
Here's 44man's quote: He is right, the plow handle is more accurate. But fancy panels do not help it. The rubber grips actually change the profile JUST enough. A full Bisley is not right and does not really help recoil all that much. They are more painful to me and hard to control. Bisley's are what Marko loves but he tapes his fingers and wears a heavy padded glove. Marko split his head open with Bisley grips. John and I could not shoot the Freedom .475 until he put rubber grips on it. JH makes a special grip change with real wide panels on it, it is better then a Bisley. The Bisley was not made for recoil, it was made for one hand target shooting with wimp loads. The BFR rubber grips are the very best, I just do not feel the gun and can shoot them all day. Weight is important but so is the right feel.
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 13, 2012 12:29:05 GMT -5
So... let me see if I've grasped this... Huntington will do his grip frame extension AND the grips for $300? If the answer is yes, would someone please PM me his contact info. Does he required the entire gun or just the grip frame? $300 gets you the gripframe, grips, and first-rate fit. All he needs is the backstrap. And the best part? Jack did mine in just under 3 weeks. Give him a call at - 530-268-6877. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by CraigC on Jun 13, 2012 12:49:02 GMT -5
I would have to disagree with 44man all the way around, again. What he needs to realize is that there are no absolutes and his opinions should not be stated as facts. Of course, he was banned from this site for a reason.
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Post by maxcactus on Jun 13, 2012 14:18:15 GMT -5
IMHO, any discussion is irrelevant. It simply works. It doesn't work for everybody but it works for most. You simply have to find what works best for you. That includes finding what grip panel contour works best as well. We're all different. +1! Before I bought my first SA revolver, I worked in a local toy shop w/access to numerous tools. I'd been playing around with some of the different SAs thinking I'd like one but the standard Colt SAA & Ruger BH grips just didn't fit my hand. They were too short - I could only get two fingers on them, pinky was wrapped underneath. They also pointed up when my wrist and forearm were in a natural shooting position - I had to crane my wrist down to put the sights on target. We had a Bisley or two in stock but I didn't pay it much attention... until I read John Linebaugh's articles advocating the Bisley for better recoil control of heavy kicking calibers. Once I picked one up, I immediately realized that it fit my hand better (can get all three fingers fully on the grip) and pointed better (far less wrist craning) without firing a shot. So I bought one and after comparing the recoil and shootability, it's hard for me to really like standard grip frames. I do have a flattop convertible with the standard grip frame, but it won't get anything but standard loads. I haven't shot a FA M83 or a BFR enough to compare, but Huntington's grip extension sounds like a great idea to me. As to the drivel from 44Man... well, some folks were sure the world was going to end back in May, too!
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Post by whitworth on Jun 13, 2012 14:31:37 GMT -5
Here's 44man's quote: He is right, the plow handle is more accurate. But fancy panels do not help it. The rubber grips actually change the profile JUST enough. A full Bisley is not right and does not really help recoil all that much. They are more painful to me and hard to control. Bisley's are what Marko loves but he tapes his fingers and wears a heavy padded glove. Marko split his head open with Bisley grips. John and I could not shoot the Freedom .475 until he put rubber grips on it. JH makes a special grip change with real wide panels on it, it is better then a Bisley. The Bisley was not made for recoil, it was made for one hand target shooting with wimp loads. The BFR rubber grips are the very best, I just do not feel the gun and can shoot them all day. Weight is important but so is the right feel.
If that gun had a plow handle on it, it would split your head every shot. If you let up your concentration while firing that gun even one iota, it will connect with your head. That gun would be unshootable with a plow handle grip frame. Don't take the word of someone who hasn't shot it, ask Lee and ask jwp475 as they both have trigger time with that gun. That said, the only revolver that has managed to cut my hands up was wearing a plow handle and Micarta grips. You can come here and discuss the pros and cons of both, but it would help to actually have some experience with the Bisley before. And to say that the Bisley was a target grip meant to shoot one handed displays ignorance as the Ruger Bisley hardly resembles the original Colt design. Are you here to cook things up or to participate in this great forum?
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