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Post by cadillo on Apr 28, 2012 13:42:57 GMT -5
I have a couple of questions for the more learned among us.
(1) Being less than receptive to unwanted change, I am a little hesitant regarding the internal lock mechanism Ruger is now placing in the grip frame of their Non-Bisley model single actions.
What are some of your opinions regarding any negatives or outright problems regarding this system and how it affects action tuning, trigger pull, lock time etc. ?
(2) Should I decide to embrace this new system, I may look for a stainless flattop in .44 Special. I would be interested in one in Stainless with a 5.5 inch barrel. Thus far, I've only seen the 5.5 inch models in blue and the Stainless models in 4.625 inch. Does anyone know whether there were any 5.5 inch .44 Special flattops made in Stainless?
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Post by Boge Quinn on Apr 28, 2012 14:14:19 GMT -5
I ignore it. It does no harm, and you don;t have to use it.
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Post by dmize on Apr 28, 2012 21:35:06 GMT -5
The mainspring fuctions in the exact same manner as an old model. Triggers on my Anniversary Blackhawks and Flattop 44 Special feel just the same as my older Blackhawks and Vaqueros. New ones just have the ability to lock.
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Post by cadillo on Apr 28, 2012 22:48:15 GMT -5
Well guys, I actually did know that use of the internal lock was not required by law, nor supported by scripture, and thus optional. I also knew that as long as it doesn't wind up locked at the moment of truth, it would do no harm.
I also knew that the new system requires the use of a shorter mainspring, which might affect lock time, and that was the gist of my question. Didn't mean to throw one over everyone's heads.
Thanks for trying!
I know who to ask, and will do that next time I see him.
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Que pasen buena noche.
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Post by Boge Quinn on Apr 28, 2012 22:54:58 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't understand your question. Maybe next time it won't be over my head. Use small words.
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Post by robl on Apr 28, 2012 23:54:27 GMT -5
I don't like the very idea of them, but I do like the way my NMFTs have such a good action. I'd hate to attribute it to that stupid lock. I prefer to think that it is due mostly to the overall improvements that Rugers have undergone in the last year or so.
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Post by dmize on Apr 29, 2012 9:10:16 GMT -5
Maybe you should learn how to word a question so us "unlearned" would not have to read your mind to answer the question.
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Post by carl on Apr 29, 2012 9:45:19 GMT -5
new system requires the use of a shorter mainspring, which might affect lock time Now you've found "the bottom of the story". Yes, the "lock" mainsprings are shorter AND softer. My only complaint and a situation that I solved...... carl
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Post by cadillo on Apr 29, 2012 11:07:31 GMT -5
Maybe you should learn how to word a question so us "unlearned" would not have to read your mind to answer the question. Sorry Pal. I can't help you with your lack of reading comprehesion skills. Or maybe it's just bad eyesight, but I think not. After all you do manage to find the keys of your keyboard. The word I used was "Learned". You will find it in any English language dictionary, and the question was actually clear enough. Some understood it quite well. Thanks to those of you who know something about the differences between the prelock and current system, and offered helpful responses!
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Post by cadillo on Apr 29, 2012 11:13:53 GMT -5
new system requires the use of a shorter mainspring, which might affect lock time Now you've found "the bottom of the story". Yes, the "lock" mainsprings are shorter AND softer. My only complaint and a situation that I solved...... carl I would be very interested in knowing how you "Solved" the situation. I can envision the finding and use of a stiffer mainspring, but can't visualize how one might alter things to use a longer mainspring, if that is what you managed to do. ?
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Post by Shakey on Apr 29, 2012 16:11:08 GMT -5
Most of us here are "learned" enough to know that when you ask a general question you should expect a general answer. If you knew what you wanted to know, why didn't you just ask a simple, direct, question? Pretty poor form ...insulting people for offering general opinions when you were not at all clear on what direction you wanted the discussion to go. I have ""Solved" the situation" to my satisfaction but won't chance explaining. If you do not like how I did it you might make fun of me and I have very tender feelings.
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Post by dmize on Apr 29, 2012 18:27:23 GMT -5
Thanks Shakey. I thought between Bogey and myself at least one of his questions had been answered. I would also be willing to bet that with all of the engineering brainpower at Ruger SOMEONE would have figured that if locking strut is X longer than non locking strut then we should probably make spring for locking strut Y longer and of Z weight since we have to make up for lack of length. And with that Im pretty sure they would have addressed any "geometry issues". The main thing I hate about shxx stirrers is sometimes you have to interact with them before it becomes evident that they are.
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Post by Frank V on Apr 29, 2012 19:44:18 GMT -5
Cadillo
I can't add anything to question #2, but regarding your first question, I haven't heard of or experienced any problems with the lock. I'm not in favor of locks on guns, but we have to live with them or search out older guns.
I think the new Ruger SAs are good guns & pretty trouble free. On the SAs you even have to drill a hole in the grip to access the lock. I've shot one a lot & have yet to have any trouble with it. Frank
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Post by caryc on Apr 30, 2012 10:20:31 GMT -5
Maybe you should learn how to word a question so us "unlearned" would not have to read your mind to answer the question. Sorry Pal. I can't help you with your lack of reading comprehesion skills. Or maybe it's just bad eyesight, but I think not. After all you do manage to find the keys of your keyboard. The word I used was "Learned". You will find it in any English language dictionary, and the question was actually clear enough. Some understood it quite well. Thanks to those of you who know something about the differences between the prelock and current system, and offered helpful responses! Sorry pal that your manners are so bad. Since you are obviously superior to any of us and know where to go to get your answer, what are you doing here in the first place? Feel free to go elsewhere. We'll try not to miss you.
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Post by cadillo on May 1, 2012 15:18:12 GMT -5
Sorry Pal. I can't help you with your lack of reading comprehesion skills. Or maybe it's just bad eyesight, but I think not. After all you do manage to find the keys of your keyboard. The word I used was "Learned". You will find it in any English language dictionary, and the question was actually clear enough. Some understood it quite well. Thanks to those of you who know something about the differences between the prelock and current system, and offered helpful responses! Sorry pal that your manners are so bad. Since you are obviously superior to any of us and know where to go to get your answer, what are you doing here in the first place? Feel free to go elsewhere. We'll try not to miss you. And you are an expert in manners? I suppose that when poked with a stick, you do what? I asked a polite question because I though I might get an informed answer here from people I know will know more about the subject matter than I. Eventually I did from some people. The guy you are defending took a poke at me and got poked back. His comment was uncalled for as was yours and being a big boy he should have expected some response. Manners? How did you ever factor into this? The answer is that you didn't. You simply wanted to be heard. Well you have been, and have revealed your own manners.
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