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Post by subsonic on Apr 22, 2012 14:14:11 GMT -5
That is a cool little boolit. One that most guys would like, if they weren't overly macho :-P Any plans to make it in .501"ish? It's a matter of effectiveness on game for me. For the longest time the .500 Linebaugh lagged behind the .475 from a performance standpoint, particularly in penetration as it was for some unknown reason often limited to 450 grain bullet weights at the top end. That all changed when folks started experimenting with 500 + grain bullets (I'm not advocating super heavies like the 700 grain .500 Smith bullets), and found that they will indeed out perform the 450 grain offerings from a terminal standpoint. They consequently beat the shooter up a bit as we can't get around physics, but that is the price we pay. For me it's not machismo, just a more effective hammer when loaded as such. I understand your use and choices, and agree with them for the intended purposes. BUT most bullets and boolits launched from these big bores are killing mere compressed wood pulp which does not require much penetration or energy. A lot of these heavies miss the mark as triggers are yanked, guns are chopped like a tomahawk, and eyes are closed. Check out the .501" group buys on the castboolits forum. All HUGE boolits. Nothing sensible at all. .700" noses and other crazy stuff. Only the gas check in the case unless weight is over 600gr. With one tiny lube groove!  I tried to get something like Todd's boolit going in a group buy and nobody would bite. I am still trying to figure out what I want to shoot out of the JRH. I am thinking, like you, that my hunting boolit is going to be around 450gr, maybe more. But as far as something to shoot for fun and economy, Todd's design looks like the perfect solution. And I really don't think they'll bounce off a whitetail. ;D |
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Post by kaytod on Apr 22, 2012 14:19:24 GMT -5
Thanks Whitworth. Here are the pretty little soldiers all in a row.  Since they look pre-expanded, I think I'll use my 500 Linebaugh next NRA bullseye match. Instead of using a little bullet like a 32, I think I'll try bigger to cut the next scoring ring..... Should get some looks when I do. |
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Post by whitworth on Apr 22, 2012 15:55:53 GMT -5
It's a matter of effectiveness on game for me. For the longest time the .500 Linebaugh lagged behind the .475 from a performance standpoint, particularly in penetration as it was for some unknown reason often limited to 450 grain bullet weights at the top end. That all changed when folks started experimenting with 500 + grain bullets (I'm not advocating super heavies like the 700 grain .500 Smith bullets), and found that they will indeed out perform the 450 grain offerings from a terminal standpoint. They consequently beat the shooter up a bit as we can't get around physics, but that is the price we pay. For me it's not machismo, just a more effective hammer when loaded as such. I understand your use and choices, and agree with them for the intended purposes. BUT most bullets and boolits launched from these big bores are killing mere compressed wood pulp which does not require much penetration or energy. A lot of these heavies miss the mark as triggers are yanked, guns are chopped like a tomahawk, and eyes are closed. Check out the .501" group buys on the castboolits forum. All HUGE boolits. Nothing sensible at all. .700" noses and other crazy stuff. Only the gas check in the case unless weight is over 600gr. With one tiny lube groove! I tried to get something like Todd's boolit going in a group buy and nobody would bite. I am still trying to figure out what I want to shoot out of the JRH. I am thinking, like you, that my hunting boolit is going to be around 450gr, maybe more. But as far as something to shoot for fun and economy, Todd's design looks like the perfect solution. And I really don't think they'll bounce off a whitetail. ;D My philosophy differs from yours. I practice exclusively with the loads that I hunt with. It does me no good to put a bunch of 400s down range at 1,100 fps when my hunting load (and I hunt with all of my big-bores) is a 525 at 1,350. In order to get competent and really proficient with my hunting loads, I practice a whole lot just with that load. I always lean towards the worst case scenario, and then practice, practice, practice. A lot of folks only hunt one deer season a year, so it makes sense that they want to plink, etc. I hunt year round and I am not particularly sensitive to heavier loads. I would rather get really good with the loads I hunt with. It works for me and I am not suggesting that anyone follow my lead, just explain the way I do things. Your mileage may vary...... ;D JMHO. |
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Post by subsonic on Apr 22, 2012 17:24:52 GMT -5
Finding WW must be easier in your neck of the woods :-)
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Post by whitworth on Apr 22, 2012 19:25:06 GMT -5
Finding WW must be easier in your neck of the woods :-) It's not, but the 525s come from Cast Performance. |
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Post by bigbores on Apr 22, 2012 19:57:22 GMT -5
I understand your use and choices, and agree with them for the intended purposes. BUT most bullets and boolits launched from these big bores are killing mere compressed wood pulp which does not require much penetration or energy. A lot of these heavies miss the mark as triggers are yanked, guns are chopped like a tomahawk, and eyes are closed. Check out the .501" group buys on the castboolits forum. All HUGE boolits. Nothing sensible at all. .700" noses and other crazy stuff. Only the gas check in the case unless weight is over 600gr. With one tiny lube groove! I tried to get something like Todd's boolit going in a group buy and nobody would bite. I am still trying to figure out what I want to shoot out of the JRH. I am thinking, like you, that my hunting boolit is going to be around 450gr, maybe more. But as far as something to shoot for fun and economy, Todd's design looks like the perfect solution. And I really don't think they'll bounce off a whitetail. ;D My philosophy differs from yours. I practice exclusively with the loads that I hunt with. It does me no good to put a bunch of 400s down range at 1,100 fps when my hunting load (and I hunt with all of my big-bores) is a 525 at 1,350. In order to get competent and really proficient with my hunting loads, I practice a whole lot just with that load. I always lean towards the worst case scenario, and then practice, practice, practice. A lot of folks only hunt one deer season a year, so it makes sense that they want to plink, etc. I hunt year round and I am not particularly sensitive to heavier loads. I would rather get really good with the loads I hunt with. It works for me and I am not suggesting that anyone follow my lead, just explain the way I do things. Your mileage may vary...... ;D JMHO. What are you hunting that a 525GR bullet will take at 1350fps that a 425GR bullet at 1100fps won't? |
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Post by whitworth on Apr 22, 2012 20:30:10 GMT -5
Not saying that another, lighter bullet won't get the job done -- not at all. But that isn't the point of the Maximum, now is it? Iam not trying to turn it into a .500 Smith as I am only running it (as is Lee) to about 1,350. It is simply a load that works really well. That load may be going to Africa next year, and that is all I am going to be saying about that until plans are more firm ( ;D). That is why I am practicing with it. I will not load my .500 Max like a .500 Linebaugh -- defeats the purpose as far as I am concerned. Had I wanted another .500 Linebaugh, I could have saved a bundle of money -- LOL! From what I have seen so far from this load (38 grains of 1680 under the aforementioned 525), it is exceedingly accurate as is and the big case likes the full-power loads. I have yet to try a .510 bullet in the 425 grain range that penetrates as well (not saying one doesn't exist, but that I have not found one). For the longest time even the .500 Linebaugh has been held back and behind the .475 because of the available lighter bullets it was loaded with. It might as well be all that it can be as far as I am concerned. If I want to shoot something lighter I step down to one of my .45s. But, that's just me.
The nose profile on that 525 is really good. I have some 425 grain bullets I have used in my .500 JRH that are exceedingly good penetrators, but they have an exceptional nose. I have yet to find a lighter .510 that is as good as these 525s. They just work -- ask Lee!
This year my Max will hopefully take a black bear, and who knows what else -- maybe another moose? Elk? Bison? Brown Bear? Don't know yet, but I won't adjust loads to the game -- worst case scenario load, and practice, practice, practice. Takes a lot of trigger time to master a load like that 525 at 1,350! ;D ;D I like to settle on a load early and stick with it. Saves me some confusion! ;D
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Post by kaytod on Apr 22, 2012 20:50:48 GMT -5
Friends all,
I do have a .501 OWC and 475 OWC on the drawing board. They all have the same S.D. as the .513, which is .160. This means they all are relatively the same length bullet. The .501 will weigh 280 and the .475 at 260 essentially making it or the 480 Ruger, just a big Colt.
At one time in years past I was a one handgun man. Having only a Redhawk 5.5" 44. I became very adept at loading it for various applications. One of my favorite things was a 200 grain full wadcutter over 3.2 of 700x. I shot bullseye matches for three years with that gun, the last two with that little load. It was so fun to shoot, I used it as I would a 22 on small game, my woods companion for shooting whatever rock, leaf, twig or dirt clod I could find on the farm. I really appreciated the trigger time that was affordable, as I had free lead, IF I would dump the bucket at the local tire shop. 3.2 grains of powder went a long way, and a 10 pound lee pot and mold and I was in the shooting business.
So I see both Whitworth and Subsonic's points. I really appreciated the trigger time I was given with a little creativity. Plus the little load was a great primer for those who wanted to learn handgunning and I said "I've got a 44 mag you can shoot" Their hackles would raise even further if I said not to worry, it's a light load. Then they would brave a shot and the recoil was so negligable they were almost giddy.
When I go hunting I do practice a lot with the load I'm going to use, to get to know it well and be confident. But I sure do like the time spent with plinkin loads in the off season. Now that I have a couple "bigger" guns, those plinking loads will make holes thru deer to where they won't hold corn...
I'm just glad you all like them. Thanks for the encouragement.
Todd
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Post by Lee Martin on Apr 22, 2012 20:57:33 GMT -5
I agree with Whit. I didn't build my Maximum to shoot 500 Linebaugh levels. I sight my guns for one combination and practice, practice, practice. When I finished mine I tested with 435's at 1,500 fps. Then I tried 525's at 1,350 and guess what? The recoil wasn't much more and the load tears ragged holes. In fact, I put eight shots within 2 1/2" at 50 yards off the bench. That's all I needed to see.....I was sold. And sure, 435's at 1,100 will handle just about any situation. Hell, that same slug at 800 fps is a real stopper. But what's wrong with added horsepower if you can place shots? It's the same reason I bracket race a 9 second car. I could go just as many rounds, if not more, with a 13 second ride. But it wouldn't be the same kick. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by whitworth on Apr 22, 2012 20:59:55 GMT -5
I'm not knocking lighter loads, but I don't have the time to play as much as I would like to with each revolver -- just can't as deadlines seem to always be looming. For me it is an impossibility. Too many obligations preclude it -- wish I had the luxury. There is a certain piece of mind that you have a good load that will literally work on every and any game animal and that the experimentation is through and you can concentrate on your shooting skills with that load.
Also, I need to note that we didn't seek a certain velocity point, this is simply where that load ends up, and we haven't even chronographed it yet (we know others who have achieved velocities in the 1,300 to 1,350 fps range).
Todd, sorry for the thread hijacking!
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Post by bigbores on Apr 22, 2012 22:57:35 GMT -5
I would be interested in a group buy for 280GR .501"mold, please keep me informed (about 50GRs lighter than I was looking for but why not).
Lee/whit
That load you guys have should do anything you ask of it and if Africa was on my calendar I would be trying those heavy's on everything.
That's one place I wouldn't want my bullets to fall short.
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Post by whitworth on Apr 23, 2012 5:51:25 GMT -5
Lee/whit That load you guys have should do anything you ask of it and if Africa was on my calendar I would be trying those heavy's on everything. That's one place I wouldn't want my bullets to fall short. Amen, brother! |
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Post by Snyd on Jan 30, 2017 13:16:34 GMT -5
Bumping this thread up to see if anyone had been casting/shooting this boolit. Here are pictures of the .513-300 OWC (ogival wad cutter) It has a short nose, modest meplat and is pretty casting friendly with a relaxed casting tempo. Should be a fit for those looking for an economical and easy shooting practice bullet and light hunting bullet. Cubrock has one and will post his results. ( Hope you like it, if you need anything call )  Left is a 500 Linebaugh and Right is a 510 GNR, sorry no 50 SPL's free for a pic.  |
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Post by dougader on Jan 30, 2017 13:36:43 GMT -5
I haven't seen Todd around for some time. I hope everything is going well for him.
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Post by jdoc on Jan 30, 2017 13:55:35 GMT -5
I was really getting into this thread. Until I started looking at the time stamps. Oh well...
Hope Todd is doing well.
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I tried to get something like Todd's boolit going in a group buy and nobody would bite. 
