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Post by Tx Gun Runner on Nov 20, 2011 22:11:02 GMT -5
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orokie
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Post by orokie on Nov 20, 2011 22:12:53 GMT -5
Very nice indeed!
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Post by don44 on Nov 21, 2011 12:18:59 GMT -5
They are nice revolvers and shoot very well. I have a 38 spl Open Top and it will shoot most loads just fine. (not +P ) I like the way they look by the way.
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Post by orokie on Nov 21, 2011 15:57:02 GMT -5
Don, lets see a pic! :-)
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Post by Lil Dudey on Nov 21, 2011 16:19:12 GMT -5
Very nice indeed so pictures please! ;D
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Post by Lil Dudey on Nov 22, 2011 8:08:43 GMT -5
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Post by orokie on Nov 22, 2011 13:03:23 GMT -5
Yep, saw that but, thanks for posting the link. I now have a '72 Open Top, 5.5" barrel, .38spl. with Navy grips on the way. Couldn't find the Transition model available anywhere but, will be just as happy with the Open Top. I'll post up pics once it arrives! :-)
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Post by Lil Dudey on Nov 22, 2011 13:17:21 GMT -5
You're most welcome!
Congratulations and definitely post picture when you get it.
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Post by don44 on Nov 22, 2011 14:40:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to post a pic or I'd be glad to do so.
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orokie
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Post by orokie on Nov 23, 2011 15:26:11 GMT -5
Don, if you can email me the pic, I can post it for you.
hogriderxl1200@gmail.com
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Post by humphrey on Nov 26, 2011 22:21:30 GMT -5
Not to rain on a parade...
... but my understanding is the 38 s&w conversions are built out of reproduction 1851 Colt 36 Navy Parts. The 38 s&w fires a .357 bullet the 36 Navy barrel has a bore of .375, just a slight differance.
Hollow based bullets, or heeled bullets would remedy that. Although is accuracy worth it??
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Post by CraigC on Nov 27, 2011 10:59:15 GMT -5
Modern factory cartridge conversions are not built with percussion barrels. They are modern cartridge firearms and must withstand proof loads. So I doubt they even use the same frames as their pecussion counterparts. The .38's, whether marked Spl or Colt, have nominal .357" bores for use of modern inside lubed bullets of the common .358" variety. NOT percussion barrels. Likewise, the .44Colts and .44Specials have .429" bores for modern .430" bullets. Not .454" percussion barrels.
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Post by don44 on Nov 27, 2011 11:26:38 GMT -5
orokie, As soon as I'm thru hunting I'll get some pics to you.
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Post by humphrey on Nov 27, 2011 14:30:57 GMT -5
Modern factory cartridge conversions are not built with percussion barrels. They are modern cartridge firearms and must withstand proof loads. So I doubt they even use the same frames as their pecussion counterparts. The .38's, whether marked Spl or Colt, have nominal .357" bores for use of modern inside lubed bullets of the common .358" variety. NOT percussion barrels. Likewise, the .44Colts and .44Specials have .429" bores for modern .430" bullets. Not .454" percussion barrels. And its probally proofed in gardone assuming its italian. Gardone proofs to 30% over cartridge working pressure. About 22,500 psi for a 38 spl. its not exactly a modern cartridge. Gardone's first level black powder (all small arms that utilize black powder for propellant, from derringers to muskets) is in the neighborhood of 29,000 psi utilizing a smokeless powder charge to be able to create the pressure neccessary. I have no doubt in my mind that the frames are the same ones used for the 1860 cap & ball revolvers with the addition of a differant hammer, loading port and gate. Barrels are also more then capable of holding the pressures generated by the low pressure smokeless cartridges the 72' is available in. I''d wager the barrels come from the exact same forgings and are pulled off the assembly line prior to having the loading ram inlets milled. Now mind you in the past I have looked at various conversions units and open tops to go with my cap & balls. The few that I have seen in the past for the 38 cal cartridges had the 36 Navy bore. A heeled or hollow base bullet realy would have been needed for work beyond a few yards. I have also noticed similiar issues with the 44 colt setups. Being that the 44 colt was designed for the Richard-Mason models it uses a 45 heeled bullet. You know 44 Colt for your Colt 44 Army. Inturn most of the factory conversions have had the 44 Army barrel ( 45 bore) to be more authentic as it is a reproduction. In particular a stainless ASM I looked at. The only thing that steers me away from the 45 colt setups is that I have a blackhawk in 45 and inturn have some heavy loads floating about (360 grainers) and the last thing a man needs is one of those into an open top colt chassis. Mind you I also do not have any dought that a large Importer like Cimarron could easily order 1000 so units built to particular standards. They would have to be able to, to offer open tops made by Ubertti that Ubertti itself doesnt catalog.
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Post by orokie on Nov 27, 2011 21:01:22 GMT -5
Sounds good Don. Good luck on the hunting!
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