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Post by urhuckleberry on Jul 30, 2011 16:52:06 GMT -5
A brand new .45 lc Beretta Stampede, the place i bought the gun only had blazer ammunition with alluminum shells the 45 colt 200 gr. jhp box it was 50 for 50 ... After firing the gun once, the hammer would not even go back to half cock, i had to dissamble it an the alluminum shell that was spent was a bit tough to knock out no splitting or anything which i was explaind its a cold cartridge an shouldnt be a problem... after putting the cylinder back in i cocked an let the hammer down letting it make a full revolution shot it again an had the same problem....after the second time i put it back together i put it in the box hoping its just the ammo see as it was again smooth cock the firing pin is not sticky half cock an everything is fine i was hoping someone could help me out i really want to blame it on the ammo however am no expert or veteran if anyone could help me out ur thoughts would be much appreciated
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Post by paulg on Jul 30, 2011 20:40:44 GMT -5
Funny thing happened at the range today. I had the exact same problem with my Smith and Wesson Model 29-2. I was using the same brand with alluminum cases in .44 special. After I had the problem I stoked her up with Winchester .44 maggies and she ran just fine. From my experience I would trash the CCI and stick with quality ammo. That stuff (CCI) might be cheaper but, in this case especially, I believe we got what we paid for, JUNK. In short, it's the ammo, not your Beretta.
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Post by Lil Dudey on Jul 31, 2011 0:33:09 GMT -5
I have a Beretta Stampede Gemini 45 Colt that I have shot reloads and Winchester ammo without a problem.
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Post by edwardyoung on Aug 1, 2011 12:05:15 GMT -5
I had a Beretta Marshal that used to do that. Mine had the transfer bar action with the spring-loaded plunger in the base pin, like NM Rugers. It tied up the gun a couple times until I started checking to make sure the base pin was fully seated.
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Post by urhuckleberry on Aug 1, 2011 20:07:14 GMT -5
Thx guys, paul you really give me hope its the ammo, as far as gettin wat I paid for it was 50 dollars for a box of fifty i thought that was pretty steep i really cant wait to get some brass shells to confirm its not the gun, im sure my bar was seated edyoung an id like to ask u guys wats a good name brand of shell to run until i start reloading Wat Single Action Revolver Would You Recommend Buying Next in .45 cal
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Post by Mountaineer on Aug 3, 2011 10:20:55 GMT -5
Ammunition: Remington, Winchester, Black Hills, etc. About any commercially loaded .45 Colt ammunition should be fine. Lead bullets will be less expensive and easier on you and the gun. Cowboy action loads come to mind. $50/box for Blazer seems a bit expensive to me. You may want to look at prices at MidwayUSA.com just to get a ballpark idea for comparison.
Next Single Action: seriously, I'd lean toward a Ruger Blackhawk. You might want to find a convertible version with the .45 ACP cylinder for some additional versatility.
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Post by robl on Aug 3, 2011 14:53:29 GMT -5
...buy a Ruger?
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Post by cadillo on Aug 3, 2011 17:41:29 GMT -5
Many years ago Uncle Sam issued aluminum cased .38 Special ammo to my agency for practice between quarterly qualifications. Among the various problems encountered were several ruined cylinders, which the manufacturer eventually made good on. Even if I had no love for my fine guns, my love of eyesight and digits would be enough to prevent me from buying any aluminum cased ammo.
Please don't anyone tell me that they've used it without issue. If you dance on the minefield long enough, you will likely lose a toe or two.
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Post by jwp475 on Aug 3, 2011 17:58:19 GMT -5
That will not cure an ammo problem |
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Post by J Miller on Aug 4, 2011 8:53:37 GMT -5
A brand new .45 lc Beretta Stampede, the place i bought the gun only had blazer ammunition with alluminum shells the 45 colt 200 gr. jhp box it was 50 for 50 ... After firing the gun once, the hammer would not even go back to half cock, i had to dissamble it an the alluminum shell that was spent was a bit tough to knock out no splitting or anything which i was explaind its a cold cartridge an shouldnt be a problem... after putting the cylinder back in i cocked an let the hammer down letting it make a full revolution shot it again an had the same problem....after the second time i put it back together i put it in the box hoping its just the ammo see as it was again smooth cock the firing pin is not sticky half cock an everything is fine i was hoping someone could help me out i really want to blame it on the ammo however am no expert or veteran if anyone could help me out ur thoughts would be much appreciated I have noticed that brass cased ammo has a rounded rear edge to the rim, and the examples of the CCI Blazer aluminum ammo has sharp edged rims. On my guns this has created a drag effect as the cylinder rotates after firing, but it has not jammed up the gun. Now you said: " i had to dissamble it an the alluminum shell that was spent was a bit tough to knock out no splitting or anything ", and that makes me think there are perhaps two problems. Your chambers may be a bit rough and unlike brass the aluminum cases are not releasing the chambers as a brass case would as it reflexes back from full expansion. ((There is a word I need I just can't think of - it's where a brass case shrinks a bit after firing and expanding.)) It sounds like this is causing the case to wedge the cylinder by sticking to the chambers. If so, a change of ammo will tell the story. I would also look closely at the breach face to see if there is any tool marks that might be causing problems as well. I've had to polish the breach faces of a couple of my Ruger single actions. The other thing is look closely at the firing pin bushing. Is it pushed out around the firing pin? I've seen some that were because of excessive dry firing and others that were due to an extreme number of rounds fired. Lots of things to look at, but try a different "brass" cased ammo first. Joe |
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Post by pbcaster45 on Aug 4, 2011 13:39:12 GMT -5
Urhuckleberry,
I think Edward is right and it's probably the spring loaded plunger in the base pin. If that plunger gets stuck is will tie up the gun every time. One way to tell if it's the plunger is to try cocking the gun with the barrel pointed straight up (after it's jammed I mean). If it's the plunger the gun will cock no trouble. One of my Stampedes did it all the time. I finally fitted a small metal rod underneath the plunger to keep it from bottoming out and getting stuck. A cheap fix and it worked!
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Post by robl on Aug 4, 2011 13:53:53 GMT -5
Sorry Cadillo, while not a particular fan of blazer I have shot thousands of rounds of it with nary a stutter. It was very prominent around the Palouse with CCI/Blount being right there in Lewiston. As I have mentioned here before the local range is ankle deep with spent aluminum cases. I've got no axe to grind just relating y experience.
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Post by dunranull on Aug 4, 2011 21:59:06 GMT -5
Ive fired at least a case (probably more) aluminum-cased 9mm in various weapons without a problem. Fired some .45ACP and some assorted other stuff without any problems that I recall. This was before the days of mass-quantities of surplus on the market. If the stuff wasnt berdan I'd have reloaded it too.
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Post by cadillo on Aug 5, 2011 20:43:28 GMT -5
Sorry Cadillo, while not a particular fan of blazer I have shot thousands of rounds of it with nary a stutter. It was very prominent around the Palouse with CCI/Blount being right there in Lewiston. As I have mentioned here before the local range is ankle deep with spent aluminum cases. I've got no axe to grind just relating y experience. Glad to hear that you've had no problems, and hope that you don't in the future. I had two really bad case splits with the .38 Blazer, and one of them left a slight scar in one chamber on my Smith Model 66. That was enough for me. I gave away the rest that I had been issued to other officers along with a strong stern warning that it had a reputation for blowing cases. Two of my coworkers had really bad scarring in their Model 686's, and CCI/Blount paid to have the guns returned to S&W for new cylinders. Could be that there was only one bad lot, but I've had my turn in the barrel. It's really of no consequence for me though, as I shoot only issue ammo or handloads. Other than some 9mm ammo I bought on sale at Walmart about five years ago, and still have not shot (waiting for a need for 9mm cases for loading), the last centerfire handun ammo I bought was a box of .357 Silvertips in 1987. I still have roughly half that box. |
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Post by tek4260 on Aug 6, 2011 7:59:56 GMT -5
I'm with J Miller, check the recoil shield and make sure there are no burrs or rough edges. I have had 2 Rugers that had sharp edges on the frame, opposite of the loading gate, where is steps up for the breach face. Also, make sure the loading gate isn't sliding forward under recoil and tying things up. I have an OM that did that, and I like to have never found it.
And while I am at it.... 50 for 50... for Blazer..? You really need to shop somewhere else.
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