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Post by goodtime on Dec 16, 2010 3:06:06 GMT -5
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Post by jimmarch on Dec 16, 2010 3:34:07 GMT -5
Holy...OK, I'll give 'em credit, that is one VERY compact crane. I'd be willing to bet this gun will still fit in an SAA holster.
Get it working properly with a transfer bar safety under the Beretta brand name, see if it survives a bit in SASS (if they'll allow it in?) and yeah, I might have to grab one.
Damned impressive effort regardless.
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Post by Bear Claw Chris Lappe on Dec 16, 2010 8:44:15 GMT -5
Saw the videos of these a good while ago, still kinda thinking "why?".  |
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Post by sixshooter on Dec 16, 2010 9:20:49 GMT -5
Interesting concept but I'm in the why camp too. We'll see if it catches on.
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Post by taffin on Dec 16, 2010 10:10:44 GMT -5
Saw the videos of these a good while ago, still kinda thinking "why?". "SOME LOOK AND SAY WHY? I SAY WHY NOT! SEVERAL GUNSMITHS OVER THE PAST 75 PLUS YEARS HAVE WORKED ON THIS CONCEPT. |
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Post by J Miller on Dec 16, 2010 10:30:46 GMT -5
Well, I have to agree with those who ask; "why"? That gun has all the design weaknesses of a double action revolver, and not enough of the advantages.
>Every double action revolver I've had the fun of shooting extensively has developed excessive end shake. Single actions never have.
>The extra long extractor rod in the cylinder will prevent the use of the barrel mounted ejector rod thus making the use of the loading gate problematic at best.
>More jury rigged parts; crane, ejector rod, ejector, and attaching parts to wear and go out of order. That was the biggest draw to the single action, fewer parts to wear and get out of order.
I guess those who like gimmicks will buy them, but I see no socially redeeming value to it.
Two thumbs down from this shooter.
Joe
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Post by CraigC on Dec 16, 2010 10:53:29 GMT -5
I find it very interesting that they were able to make it work. For those folks who are primarily DA or auto shooters but would like to have a token single action in their collection but complain that "it's too slow to reload", it will be a boon. I'd take one if it was free but that's about it.
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Post by cubrock on Dec 16, 2010 11:01:00 GMT -5
Saw the videos of these a good while ago, still kinda thinking "why?". "SOME LOOK AND SAY WHY? I SAY WHY NOT! SEVERAL GUNSMITHS OVER THE PAST 75 PLUS YEARS HAVE WORKED ON THIS CONCEPT. I was about to type the same thing - why not? It looks to me like they have recreated several features we laud in the old-school custom gun smiths of yesteryear - swing out cylinder, short action (a la King), high fanning hammer. I don't need the high hammer, but I sure might buy an example of the other two simply to have an affordable connection to sixgunners of the past. I'd love to see them come out with a production Sedgley-style drop-out cylinder single action. Why? Just because I'd like one and don't want to pay Bowen scads of thousands of dollars to have one. Just my 2 pence. |
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Post by tas6691 on Dec 16, 2010 13:06:51 GMT -5
Its cool but I have no use for it. Also, did anyone notice the "short stroke" SAA at the end of the video?? What is that for other than some perceived advantage in cowboy action shooting? That game has turned into a custom arms race IMO. One reason I lost my desire to participate regularly...
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Post by CraigC on Dec 16, 2010 14:35:08 GMT -5
As usual, the gamers will take it to the extreme. I reckon the only saving grace is that you can still play however you like. I wonder if you need to use a heavy spring for the short stroke kit to work?
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Post by cubrock on Dec 16, 2010 14:36:22 GMT -5
King installed a short action on Colt SAAs as a custom option. My understanding was that its intent was to improve accuracy by speeding lock time.
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Post by Lil Dudey on Dec 16, 2010 14:45:57 GMT -5
I really like it.
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Post by Bear Claw Chris Lappe on Dec 16, 2010 21:59:11 GMT -5
SOME LOOK AND SAY WHY? I SAY WHY NOT! SEVERAL GUNSMITHS OVER THE PAST 75 PLUS YEARS HAVE WORKED ON THIS CONCEPT. In all that time, has anyone had mechanical and/or commercial success with it? |
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Post by jimmarch on Dec 16, 2010 22:16:49 GMT -5
It wouldn't make a dang bit of difference at a SASS match, would it? Except to make it slightly easier for a newbie to load it five-up, hammer on the empty. If these do show up in SASS matches I hope the owners aren't turned away.
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Post by tas6691 on Dec 17, 2010 9:21:05 GMT -5
It wouldn't make a dang bit of difference at a SASS match, would it? Well, considering SASS was founded to use "period correct" firearms in an action shooting format, I would have to say that the pistol in the video does not qualify. SASS originally was very strict on what if any modifications could be done to the firearms. This pistol only vaguely resembles a single action IMO, and has no place at a cowboy shoot, again IMO. I just dont get it I guess. Whats the big advantage here?? Nothing wrong with the SAA design as its been around for the last 150 or so years. It does what it was designed to do, and does it well. Sorry to be such a curmudgeon on this thing, LOL, but I just dont get it. |
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