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Post by magnumwheelman on Feb 11, 2024 16:53:09 GMT -5
Popular???
It looks like all the new long range rockets… wrong shoulder angle, or what held this one back???
Looking at them, they look like all the other 6.5 magnums…
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Post by parallaxbill on Feb 11, 2024 16:57:05 GMT -5
Because the 7mm magnum came out about the same time and rumors or true stories of burned out chamber throats soon came out.
I've still got my 1964 Flaig Ace 264 Win Mag built on an Eddystone 1917 receiver with a 25" Douglas barrel, and love it.
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Post by fm027 on Feb 11, 2024 18:03:48 GMT -5
When the current chambering fads run their course and fly off with the dodo's of every other latest greatest chambering that's come & gone, the 264 will remain. As it has.
The only advantage anything 6.5 more current has is the lack of a belt and possibly more modern twist rate standards for the bigger longer sleek LR bullets of today. But those couple arguments are up in the air depending how you look at it. As far as ballistics go, 264 runs with them all and still betters most though. Marketers right now are just trying to revitalize buyers, move iron and make some money.
The old 264 is a terrific cartridge either way, and mine too is here to stay.
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Post by jeffh on Feb 11, 2024 18:11:33 GMT -5
PT Barnum said it best. Here's a list of 25 of his quotes. Each and every one applies to the "newest, latest, greatest, whiz-bang this or that."
EDIT: But then some would have said the same of the 264 Win Mag when it came out too.
In MY feeble, little mind, I don't think there was a 6.5 which ever bettered the one the Swedes and Norse worked out over a hundred years ago, but I kind of like the 264 and the 260 too.
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Post by hunter01 on Feb 11, 2024 19:29:34 GMT -5
PT Barnum said it best. Here's a list of 25 of his quotes. Each and every one applies to the "newest, latest, greatest, whiz-bang this or that."
EDIT: But then some would have said the same of the 264 Win Mag when it came out too.
In MY feeble, little mind, I don't think there was a 6.5 which ever bettered the one the Swedes and Norse worked out over a hundred years ago, but I kind of like the 264 and the 260 too.
Yes sir, the 6.5x55 has yet to be bested ALL AROUND in that bore. Sure, there are faster. MAYBE there are some inherently more accurate. The only thing the swede doesnt do well is fit in a short action.
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Post by woody on Feb 11, 2024 21:46:05 GMT -5
I have a .264. It’s a great round but honestly what can it do that a 7mm rem mag can’t do? Also until the 6.5 Creedmoor craze Americans never embraced the 6.5. They have always fizzled. .260, 6.5 REM Mag to name a few.
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Post by parallaxbill on Feb 12, 2024 8:20:07 GMT -5
My 6.5s have got all my needs covered in 6.5 Grendel, 6.5x55 Swede and the mighty 264 Winchester Magnum
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Post by parallaxbill on Feb 12, 2024 8:24:02 GMT -5
I have a .264. It’s a great round but honestly what can it do that a 7mm rem mag can’t do? Also until the 6.5 Creedmoor craze Americans never embraced the 6.5. They have always fizzled. .260, 6.5 REM Mag to name a few. Yes and no on the 6.5 Creedmore vs the 6.5 Swede. True, the 6.5 Creedmore has, at least for the time being, shut down a pretty strong resurgence in popularity of the Swede. It was coming back when the Creedmore showed up. People just like new shiney things that don't necessarily improve on the old tried and true.
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Post by Lee Martin on Feb 12, 2024 8:54:36 GMT -5
My first "fast" rifle was a .264 Win Mag on a Mauser 98. And my experience with that gun sheds some light on why it never took off (aside from being hard on barrels). When we built it in 1992, I used a 6.5mm take off barrel we had in the shop. Chopped the tenon, re-chambered it, and ended-up with a 22" length, or thereabout. It shot OK, but with 140 gr bullets it just eclipsed 3,000 fps. Really no better than a .270 Winchester with similar weights (original Winchester ads from the late 50's/early 60's touted 3,200 fps with a 140). And for all that you're burning a lot more powder and wearing barrels out faster. Of course, I knew the short tube was holding it back. Years later I re-barreled the gun with a 27.5" Shilen ratchet cut blank. Working with Retumbo and US869 powder, I could get 3,200+ fps with a 140 gr Sierra. The right barrel length and the newer, slower powders we have today help the .264 a lot. So my 2-cents: 1) Winchester going to 24" and even 22" on a couple of their .264's killed performance 2) Early on, they got a reputation for eating barrels quick. However, if you clean regularly and allow the barrel to cool every 3 to 5 shots, they'll last longer than you may expect 3) And as stated above, the 7mm Mag came out and did everything the .264 did and took slightly heavier bullets. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time"
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Post by woody on Feb 12, 2024 14:31:44 GMT -5
I have a .264. It’s a great round but honestly what can it do that a 7mm rem mag can’t do? Also until the 6.5 Creedmoor craze Americans never embraced the 6.5. They have always fizzled. .260, 6.5 REM Mag to name a few. Yes and no on the 6.5 Creedmore vs the 6.5 Swede. True, the 6.5 Creedmore has, at least for the time being, shut down a pretty strong resurgence in popularity of the Swede. It was coming back when the Creedmore showed up. People just like new shiney things that don't necessarily improve on the old tried and true. I really hate the creedmoor. Or better known as the sellmore!!!! It is a good round no doubt but can’t do anything my 7-08 does better. Or the .270 does even better. Well it can do one thing better. Sell guns!!! I think The fad has worn of on the Creedmoor if you can judge it by a big box store gun sales. I worked at Bass Pro all summer /fall. We couldn’t sell one. Just sat in the back. We seem to seem a lot of .308’s. The caliber of choice I guess. Better choice. Lots horror stories about the Creedmoor wounding game. Poor ammo choices and everyone is a 600 yards sniper. Lol
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 12, 2024 14:37:25 GMT -5
I've got a Ruger #1 in 257 Weatherby with a 28" Barrel. I've always thought the 264 Win Mag would be excellent in the same rifle.
My favorite big(ish) game round has long been the 6.5x55. But, the Creedmoor has been a tremendous seller for years, so I also have #1s chambered in those two.
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Post by x101airborne on Feb 12, 2024 17:46:47 GMT -5
As above, my first two "fast" rifles were bought second hand from a man's estate in Kentucky. A matching pair of Winchester M70's, post '64 but control round feed (Mauser style extractors). I believe they were called "Classic" series.
I shot the 264 enough to burn the first barrel. I was using Retumbo and H-870. After re-barreling the gunsmith asked if I needed every FPS out of it. I said I was only hunting deer and he suggested to use faster powders in a reduced load. He said 2800 fps with a 140 cup and core bullet was more than enough at any reasonable range. He loaned me a chronograph and made me up some suggested charges. That barrel lasted 2 1/2 times longer than the first. He thought, and I do say HE THOUGHT the slow powders caused erosion more than just velocity or temperature of the burn. Dont know that he was right, dont know that he was wrong.
Years later I had a Swede Mauser barrel put on a small ring (I "think" it was) a FN action. With a Leupold 2x7 scope I have no reason to change less I move up to the 30-06 and that is a rare need although I do love the 30-06 very dearly.
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Post by bushog on Feb 12, 2024 18:55:48 GMT -5
All these new cartridges are configured with fast twist barrels so they can stabilize the sleek, high B.C. Bullets on the market now.
It’s the barrel twist/bullet combo that’s the difference, little to do with the new cartridge regarding the performance claims.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 12, 2024 19:09:41 GMT -5
Don't want to Hijack the thread, but...
Anytime a cartridge (or anything else) is as successful as the 6.5 Creedmoor is, it'll be attacked.
It's probably achieved more success than all other American 6.5s combined. It's not a favorite, but that's the facts.
I am a big fan of the 6.5 Grendel too.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Feb 12, 2024 19:23:27 GMT -5
I could use the 17 caliber to express… I’m one who believes bigger isn’t always better… and looking at 22 caliber’s, for example 22 Hornet, the new Ruger is 1 in 9 twist, and having already played with that long before, I’ve stabilized 68 grain bullets in the Hornet… 1 in 9 is more versatile than the original 1 in 14… now going back to the 264 mag, likely a more modern twist rate is in order for the old mag…
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