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Post by bigbrowndog on Aug 8, 2022 14:25:29 GMT -5
I wasn’t trying to throw stones, just my opinion. Again my opinion, the long range game is one I have played and did fairly well in, the market is there for competition. My opinion is simply that it does not belong in the hunting field for big game. I have friends and acquaintances that both compete at LR and ELR, and I have personally witnessed miffed attempts due to incomplete or incorrect data, the same error at 300 yards is not one third of the error at 900 yards. I did not kick my friends to the curb, simply because they choose to engage in such behavior. Shooting at LR and especially at ELR is pitting yourself against the atmosphere and the animal is simply there for the bullet stop. I enjoyed LR competitions, as well as prairie dogging, but no desire whatsoever to engage big game at those distances, again just my .02 cents.
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Post by rickiesrevenge on Aug 14, 2022 23:06:16 GMT -5
Define long range
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Post by bigbrowndog on Aug 15, 2022 8:28:03 GMT -5
In competition it tends to be 400 and beyond. My personal thoughts are based on that distance that an animal is not likely to be concerned with a humans presence, or able to be alerted to a humans presence. So it would differ from animal to animal, and of course animals that are truly wild or accustomed to seeing and dealing with humans. However, I guess inside 300-350 yards could be considered “fair chase”. That last sentence is my “personal opinion”, and I have taken game beyond that distance when circumstances did not allow for a closer stalk.
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Post by kevshell on Aug 15, 2022 17:45:58 GMT -5
Just my opinion here.
I would surmise the average hunter is not proficient beyond the 400-500 yard window. We have exponential drop beyond 400, wind drift, the need for a rest, animal movement, etc. I strive or one shot, one kill. Unlike informal banging steel, I wouldn't want to walk it in on a game animal.
Long range is likely better defined shooter to shooter. I've seen guys at the range that anything beyond 100 yards is long range. Literally.
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Post by cas on Aug 15, 2022 18:42:40 GMT -5
They've exchanged hunting challenge for a shooting challenge. Hence saying it's shooting, not hunting. That's not to say it's easy and isn't a skill, but I think the game deserves better that just being a target to challenge your shooting skills.
To paraphrase Elmer Keith I believe, do all your hunting before you pull the trigger.
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Post by tj3006 on Aug 17, 2022 15:31:12 GMT -5
Wounded game animals , of any kind are bad. But a wounded Grizzly bear is a whole new problem. When said bear can't catch anything to eat, people at camp sights move to a les comfortable spot on the food chain!
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Post by rangersedge on Aug 18, 2022 16:34:55 GMT -5
I think it is a two part issue.
The first is capability to reliably make a humane kill. That is an individual one based upon the person's skill, equipment, etc. (with exception to what might happen during flight time).
The second is the sportsmanship/ hunting angle that drives many to handguns and archery. At some point, the hunt becomes much more satisfying than the harvest.
I don't remember my first slug gun deer. My first handgun deer was a button buck that had been gut shot (person on other side of woods shot it running with single action .357). First archery deer was a very skittish doe that had busted several others. That is the one I remember most fondly. It had all the characteristics of a memorable hunt.
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Post by kevshell on Aug 18, 2022 17:34:20 GMT -5
I think it is a two part issue. The first is capability to reliably make a humane kill. That is an individual one based upon the person's skill, equipment, etc. (with exception to what might happen during flight time). The second is the sportsmanship/ hunting angle that drives many to handguns and archery. At some point, the hunt becomes much more satisfying than the harvest. I don't remember my first slug gun deer. My first handgun deer was a button buck that had been gut shot (person on other side of woods shot it running with single action .357). First archery deer was a very skittish doe that had busted several others. That is the one I remember most fondly. It had all the characteristics of a memorable hunt. To your point, my first deer was with a Savage over/under .22/20ga. I shot my first buck (a nice one) at about 25 yards while I was sitting on a stump. Up close and personal makes for memories.
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Post by cas on Aug 19, 2023 12:53:52 GMT -5
A one year bump! lol I stumbled across this accidentally looking for something else, but it rang true to what I've been thinking about a lot lately. I recently got back into shooting a bow and hopefully bow hunting, after a 15 year absence. And I'm shocked by all the stuff I'm seeing online about people shooting at game 60-100+ yards! Not only bragging about it, but advocating it and talking about it as if it were a necessity. "Well if you're western hunting, you have to!" It's like no one killed an animal with a bow west of the Mississippi prior to 2005.
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Post by nirvana91 on Aug 19, 2023 20:21:11 GMT -5
Im with some others on here and cant stand the 7,8, 1000yd "hunting" and if i remember right one of the first promoters was best of the west touting that nonsense. Others might be different but of all the people ive come across that garbage instantly appealed to the tacticool nerds. The slob hunters and for some reason always overweight with deep pockets who have always been embarrassing morons. Ill admit ive met some people online who were legit in what they do but they are definitely the unicorn. If iremember rigjt ive seen some amazing things from rickiesrevenge and ernie bishop but ive never met anyone in real life that could approach things i remember them doing. Then theres the ya gotta support them or its a divide and conquer thing and i never thought about it and just went along with it but after continually seeing slobs being slobs why not say something? I think we all know as every year ticks by its not always about killing everytime you go out its just nice to get there and when i see someone older than me who should know better either in person or on tv slinging bullets after getting their "dope" and dialing in there 4000 dollar scope to just get bullets in an animal because they cant go home with nothing really makes me mad and it should be more embarrassing to everyone than not taking up for them
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Post by bearskinner on Aug 20, 2023 11:04:52 GMT -5
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