KRal
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Post by KRal on Jan 20, 2022 12:44:07 GMT -5
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jan 20, 2022 15:36:11 GMT -5
All data is good data, Kim. Interestingly, my entrance hole looked much like yours, much larger than a simple .41 hole. I’ve found with high impact velocities the bullets tend to stay in the animal unless it’s a non expanding or minimal expanding bullet. Funny thing on this pig, after walking up to him, he looks emaciated, ribs showing, hips prominent, probably 30-40% of his hair is missing. I feel like I did a favor to this guy by killing him. I’ve sent pics of the recovered bullet to Dick, so if he wants to share he is more than welcome.
Trapr
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Post by sixshot on Jan 20, 2022 16:26:22 GMT -5
Trapr, congratulations on your hog! I didn't get any photo's yet, maybe later. Anyway, I think its you guys & your fine shooting that's making my bullets look good, thanks!
Dick
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jan 20, 2022 19:02:03 GMT -5
Dick, check your email.
Trapr
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Post by sixshot on Jan 20, 2022 19:38:14 GMT -5
Trapr, didn't get anything in my email, maybe text it to me. 208-540-7788 Thanks,
Dick
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jan 20, 2022 20:12:40 GMT -5
See if that came thru. BTW, I’m gonna want more of the HP’s
Trapr
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Post by 45MAN on Jan 20, 2022 20:39:50 GMT -5
ONE UGLY. EMACIATED, AWFUL LOOKING BOAR WITH GREAT TUSKS, GLAD HE IS GONE.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Nov 9, 2023 21:38:40 GMT -5
This is a bump, because my question can finally get some good answers. In the last couple of months myself and a couple others have made some longer distance shots with 41’s and 414sm. The 414 I knew would deliver normal 41mag impact velocities at greater distances. This also follows with the 41mag from a FA83 in 41mag, Bearskinner took a nice bull elk at 135ish yards with a home cast 265ish grain cup point bullet with complete pass through and two step,….drop. I took a large boar of about 240-275 pounds at 100 yards with a Hawk 270gr. bullet and got good expansion and close to 30” of penetration. I also took a nice mule deer buck at 167yds, with a Swift AF 210gr. bullet. Penetration was 24” or more and the mushroom was almost identical to what Swift shows on their website for impact velocity of 1100fps, which is what my impact velocity calculates out to. The images they show obviously are from testing and not speculation. Impact velocities for Bearskinner worked out to about 1100fps as well. The 270 Hawk impacted the boar at about 1200fps. If going after larger game than deer sized, I would definitely recommend either a premium jacketed bullet, or heavier 250gr and more suitable cast or jacketed bullet. The jacketed bullets I got from Hawk, are great bullets and shoot really well. I’ve got several heavy cast bullets of 230gr. to 270gr. from various forum members I just haven’t used them to the football field length, yet.
Trapr
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Post by bearskinner on Nov 10, 2023 0:01:43 GMT -5
I looked thru my pics to see if I took one of the impact damage the 265 grain cup point impacting on the rib cage, without hitting a rib bone, in or out. The impact point showed a 6” shock zone of grape jelly. The one pic I didn’t take. I was amazed that this Elk barely took a couple steps, just stumbled around , and laid over. My son put a 200 grain 300Win Mag thru the heart of his, and that bull walked away, with no signs of being shot. Point being, that slower moving 41 cast cup point bullet, shocked the heck out of a bull Elk (138 yards) and put it down quickly. I would have NO problems shooting a good sized critter at out to 200 yards, knowing confidently penetration and accuracy are not a problem. This 10” FA83 shoots like a laser beam. I’m very glad the conversation of “what would you rather have, 3 Rugers or one Freedom Arms” happened a couple years ago, as I’m enjoying the Freedom gun much more than the Rugers I did sell off to place the special order with FA.
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Post by handgunhuntingafield on Nov 10, 2023 0:37:49 GMT -5
I don't think the comparisons hold true for rifles due to differences in bullet design even within the same line and how rifle bullets are designed to function. Jacket thickness in a 7mm 120 grain ballistic tip may open up at lower velocities (AKA longer range, as velocity drops with distance) than a 120 grain 6.5 mm ballistic tip. For those bullets, there is no substitute for the real world data you're asking for. If we were to limit the revolver discussion to the XTP line of bullets and cast bullets of standard designs, I think you'll get reasonable validity cross referencing similar calibers, with cast in particular. I've shot whitetail to 100-150 yards with a 44 cal 210 and 240 XTP, and with great results. Bullets expanded, damage was significant, recovery was easy. H110 loads in the mag and Special. Chris at Bayside Custom Guns has posted pics of cow elk taken at 200+ with his Frankenruger 357 GP100s, and he's a strong proponent of jacketed bullets. IIRC they were pushing 300 yards. The internet would collectively scoff. Another way to look at range is by a measure of velocity. Distance isn't so important if you can make hits. The bullet doesn't know if it's flown 50 yards or 150 yards, given a load that's proven stable and discounting loads that prove themselves unbalanced when stretched to longer ranges, as some do. Since most revolver kill data is shorter ranges than you're asking, maybe look into the results seen by people who load their 41 down to modest levels for hunting. This is a great surrogate for how a hotter load would perform at longer ranges since you can measure or calculate velocity at 50, 100, 150+ yards in your chosen hunting load. Besides vermin I only hunted with a Franken ruger about twice as I thought they were silly…..I was just experimenting with what things help accuracy…and for some reason people wanted them. I did shoot a truck full of ground hogs and pdogs with them at stupid distances. Never took an elk that far with a 357. Deer to 150. Elk with a 357 to about 75. A customer took a lope that far and posted all over… Used a 44 to 150 on elk with good results….and deer to just over 200 with monos…. The wife and I just dropped two more elk at 50 and 70 with 44 and monos with complete devastation… Took a young mule deer at 90 the day before with the same Korth and 44 monos with a short blood trail the blind could follow. 1750-1900 depending on the gun is plenty fast with the monos. They shoot stupid flat. Taken quite a bit of game with cup and core….I haven’t seen one come close to what the cutting edge bullets do. I wish I started using them sooner. All of my 4 year mono experiment will be published in the late winter/spring. I have a few more animals to take to round out the results….it’s skewed with too many elk right now and I want to make sure the data is consistent when used on deer ish sized game.
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Post by rjm52 on Nov 10, 2023 21:08:00 GMT -5
Thank you guys for all the great .41 info...
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Post by boolitdesigner on Nov 13, 2023 8:38:51 GMT -5
I want to make sure the data is consistent when used on deer ish sized game. What happens depends on how much energy the bullet has upon striking the animal, caliber and most importantly just what bullet it is and its properties. Deer are relatively easy to kill if hit in the right place with a proper bullet with 400 ft-lbs of striking energy.
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Post by revolvercranker on Nov 13, 2023 10:58:01 GMT -5
I want to make sure the data is consistent when used on deer ish sized game. What happens depends on how much energy the bullet has upon striking the animal, caliber and most importantly just what bullet it is and its properties. Deer are relatively easy to kill if hit in the right place with a proper bullet with 400 ft-lbs of striking energy. Let's hear from you what the minimum energy, what you consider "the caliber" to use, what type of bullet to use, and please describe it's properties. Now I did see where you mentioned 400 ft-lbs energy. We know one can kill a deer with a 22 RF, but we're talking "a high success rate". Yeah a 400 ft pound energy bullet striking a deer can produce a lethal would, but what would be it's success ratio?
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Post by reflex264 on Nov 13, 2023 11:04:51 GMT -5
I just saw this. My go to load is the max load from the Hodgdon data. I just had to look it up.Their manual shows 1631 fps with the 210XTP and their data was from a 10.125" barrel. This is one time that life exceeds art. My Bisely hunter shoots that load 1602 fps over the chronograph. 100 yard groups with that load run just under 2". I have killed deer (the distances on the deer I took to to write down) 81, 82, 86, 88, 114 yards. The reason most are in that distance range is because of the setups which are watching well used trails. With the exception of one buck that ran about 80 yards after the shot they just drop. The deer that ran was very spooked when I pulled the trigger. His lungs were liquid. I never recovered a 210XTP from a deer. I shot a 10pt buck that live weight was over 250lbs. He was 88 yards with the Nosler 210 grain. I used 21 grains on that load. Nosler data gives 20.9 grs giving 1650fps from a 10" test barrel. In real life from the Bisley Hunter it averaged 1611 fps. Still really close to the book with my shorter barrel. I recovered the bullet from a slight quartering shot just in from of the off side back rib. It stopped just under the skin. If I can find it I took a picture of the lungs on that one. They were large since he was a large buck. There was a 3" hole through both of them. Impact energy would be right around 825 foot pounds. I hope that helps.
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Post by boolitdesigner on Nov 13, 2023 11:05:53 GMT -5
You really need to read it until you understand it. It depends on what you’ve picked to use. Solid SWC, jacketed whatever and various varieties of cast have different requirements. It does depend a lot on what you do or don’t know along with your ability to hit the proper spot.
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