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Post by Quick Draw McGraw on Aug 11, 2021 11:38:56 GMT -5
I spoke to Smith & Wesson Monday and they said their acceptable tolerances for the cylinder gap are 0.004" to 0.010". I explained that if they were not going to address this, I was selling it. For $400 less I can buy a BFR, which all three of the ones I own have cylinder gaps 0.002", 0.0025", 0.004". I pointed out, this is from the Performance Center and it's not as well made as the BFR which is less expensive and less refined. He took a minute to talk to a tech and then said they would look at it but couldn't promise anything. He seemed to feel confident they'd do something, but couldn't say that. I sent it out yesterday, so we'll see what happens next.
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Post by bigborethunder on Oct 17, 2021 11:19:49 GMT -5
Any solution from s&w?
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Post by Quick Draw McGraw on Oct 18, 2021 18:07:40 GMT -5
Yes, I got it back and forgot to reply. My cylinder gap now measures 0.005". I had a very negative experience with one of their managers which has greatly reduced my interest in buying another S&W product ever again. I learned that they only employ full time 2 gunsmith's for all revolver repairs that come in. I would really like to know why that is given the number of revolvers they sell. I checked with Ruger and they were gobsmacked as they employ more, though they didn't say how many. But enough to think 2 was grossly inadequate.
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Post by lar4570 on Oct 19, 2021 16:45:12 GMT -5
When you get the time, please shoot your loads again to see if the velocity has increased.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 20, 2021 6:00:47 GMT -5
I spoke to Smith & Wesson Monday and they said their acceptable tolerances for the cylinder gap are 0.004" to 0.010". I explained that if they were not going to address this, I was selling it. For $400 less I can buy a BFR, which all three of the ones I own have cylinder gaps 0.002", 0.0025", 0.004". I pointed out, this is from the Performance Center and it's not as well made as the BFR which is less expensive and less refined. He took a minute to talk to a tech and then said they would look at it but couldn't promise anything. He seemed to feel confident they'd do something, but couldn't say that. I sent it out yesterday, so we'll see what happens next. ***** A tight specification package is central to high velocities from revolvers made by Freedom Arms. High pressure cartridges rapidly bleed velocity unless that pressure is contained. Excess cylinder gap the worst offender. Oversize forcing cone, also. Loose chamber exit holes cost velocity. An excessive chamber exit with tight bore sets up major gas escape at the cylinder gap. Note the subject is velocity, not accuracy. Cylinder gap has just about nothing to do with accuracy. It is borderline idiotic to make a .454 Casull, .460 S&W Mag, or .357 Maximum with excessive cylinder gap. David Bradshaw
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Post by x101airborne on Oct 21, 2021 22:27:40 GMT -5
Not borderline. It is truly idiotic.
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Post by messybear on Oct 23, 2021 13:01:09 GMT -5
This will be interesting to watch. I have a friend who brings a 460 hunting. He shoots the Hornady factory load. Sets grass fires, turns off video camera with the concussion. Only gets about 2070 FPS. Sticky extraction on every other round. I could do that with 10 grains less powder in a Casull. I always thought about heavier bullets in it but he doesn’t reload and likes the low recoil.
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