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Post by flyingzebra on Dec 24, 2020 11:22:12 GMT -5
I have an old Colt Lightning rifle here. It's a hand me down. Since it was new it had been used to take coastal blacktail. Countless deer were sent to the table via that little 32-20 with bullets in the 100 grain neighborhood going somewhere in the 11-1300 FPS range.
Our modern hotrod 32 caliber revolvers outperform my old Lightning, and the deer haven't gotten harder to kill.
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Post by jamesautry on Jan 5, 2021 23:02:59 GMT -5
I was watching a video from Richard Mann today and in it he was field testing Federal Hammerdown loads. He mentioned Federal will be releasing a 327 load soon. Sure enough, I did a search and Federal has the load on their website. I need to hurry up and get me a Freedom Arms Model 97 in 327. FEDERAL HAMMERDOWN 327 link
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Post by 45MAN on Jan 6, 2021 7:30:07 GMT -5
I CHECKED THE LINK, ITS A 127gr BONDED HP DESIGNED FOR EASIER LEVER ACTION USE. IT IS RATED AT 1,650fps MV, WHICH I SUSPECT MAY BE OUT OF A RIFLE BARREL. THE LINK ALSO SAYS THAT IT IS CURRRENTLY UNAVAILABLE.
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Post by bigbore5 on Jan 6, 2021 11:19:09 GMT -5
It also said on federals site the bullet in the hammer down is toughened for the higher carbine velocities. I wouldn't expect proper expansion of the bullet at the lower handgun velocity.
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Post by Fowler on Jan 6, 2021 14:27:59 GMT -5
It also said on federals site the bullet in the hammer down is toughened for the higher carbine velocities. I wouldn't expect proper expansion of the bullet at the lower handgun velocity. But what is "lower handgun velocity"? I have reached 1500fps in the 327 fed with 120gr cast bullets, obviously not the same as a lever gun but pretty close and certainly would have to be with the working ranges of that bullets velocity as it slows in the air on the way to its target. I have driven 100gr XTP over 1600fps and I have wondered if they would hold up to that velocity on a game animal or would they come apart? They were designed years before the 327 even existed for the 32 mag...
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Post by bigbore5 on Jan 6, 2021 19:40:36 GMT -5
I was speaking as to the reduced velocity the factory load will make from the shorter barrel. Also many of the bullets that were developed prior to the 327 were developed for the 32-20. It does surpass 327 velocities in the carbines. I test questionable bullet toughness starting with water jugs. Then I shoot coyotes and groundhogs with it. If it's up to my expectations, I shoot trapped pigs with it. If I am happy then I hunt with it. I started this thread because I was curious about the claims it equals 357 performance, but thus far it seems to kill no better than the 38spec+p 158 and up loads.
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Post by rjm52 on Jan 8, 2021 20:15:51 GMT -5
There was a poster on here from NY who I got to meet about 6 years ago...44Mag maybe.. He dropped out of sight.
He killed a deer in NY with a Single-Seven using the 100 grain Federal SP load...
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Post by cmnash on Jan 9, 2021 7:34:14 GMT -5
The 100 grain American Eagle bullets are tough ones. There are skives in the jacket to facilitate expansion. They behave like a premium bonded soft points. They are beautiful when recovered from water jug traps, looking very much like a cousin to Gold Dots. I think if anything, they under expand on flesh. That lack of expansion lets them penetrate, and pentrate very well. I am very confident they will not "blow up", even from a rifle length barrel. I have put 6 of the AE soft points into deer sized animals from my 7.5 inch Ruger, and have only stopped one. The one I have recovered stopped after penetrating BOTH shoulders of a smallish deer. I am one of those that would describe the .327 as comprable to the .357.
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Post by bigbore5 on Jan 9, 2021 12:01:38 GMT -5
Out of those 6 deer size animals: Where were they hit? How far did they go after the hit? What did the internal organ damage look like? I've never had a 357 bullet stay in a deer, but I only take broadside or slightly quartering shots with it using heavier bullets. The few times I have used the 38sp (13 deer) only twice have they stayed in. One was a 125jhp +p factory load recovered under the skin after breaking both shoulders at 23yds. Second was angled down from a tree stand, breaking the spine and lodging in the foward part of the sternum from 17yds, 140gr wadcutter. Neither time was the 38 my primary weapon, but both were drt. Usually the 38 is a backup and now stays loaded with a healthy 158gr rnfp. When deer hunting with the 357mag, I use the fa 353 loaded with a 158 xtp at 1500 or my blackhawk with a 180 xtp at 1300. Neither of these are max loads just the most accurate in that gun. The 327 American eagle load is a 100gr bullet at a claimed 1500fps. By your description it has limited expansion. By contrast I get obvious expansion by looking at the woound channels and exit wound size. So how is that equal? Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to belittle the 327 nor champion the 357. I'm trying to decide if I should buy the 327 or spend my limited money on a longer barrel 38sp for mainly coyotes but maybe a deer of opportunity. I have primary hunting revolvers much better suited than both.
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Post by sixshot on Jan 9, 2021 13:20:58 GMT -5
In Brian Pearce's testing a while back in Handloader magazine there was very little velocity difference between the short barrel & the longer barreled six guns with most powders. Having said that I don't think a 327 is going to equal a good load in a 357 magnum on deer/antelope size game. Yes it will work but even though I've done it, it's not the best choice. Bullet choice is always critical when hunting game with a small caliber gun, so you have to pick your shot wisely.
Dick
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Post by dougader on Jan 9, 2021 15:24:50 GMT -5
As is usually the case, bullet choice matters.
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Post by rangersedge on Jan 9, 2021 15:37:54 GMT -5
I've carried my sp101 in .327 in addition to slug gun for targets of opportunity lately. Will it be my firearm of choice for a doe within about 40 yards? Yep. Will it be for that monster buck twenty feet from neighbor's property line? Not a chance. That said, neighbor shot a nice buck on his property at the edge of ours this year. We helped him track it for over half mile across ours and eventually found it. Even a 12 guage slug won't make them drt if you shoot them in the butt.
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Post by bigbore5 on Jan 9, 2021 16:10:24 GMT -5
Recast that slug to a solid in .475" and it might.
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Post by trent on Jan 17, 2021 20:45:42 GMT -5
Good evening, been a member awhile but very few posts. Just wanted to add I killed a young spike Georgia whitetail in 18 with a 5.5” single seven. Used a buffalo bore hard cast .327 the shot was very close, less than 15 yards from a tree stand. Impacted somewhat high and behind the shoulder at downward angle slightly quartering away. Penetrated completely exiting through the offside shoulder (bullet was not recovered). He ran 30-40 yards across open field and died very quickly. Internal damage was really pretty impressive. Hope this helps. Trent
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