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Post by taffin on Sept 8, 2020 14:38:30 GMT -5
Yes A friend had a Navy Arms 1892 in 44-40 years ago. We easily pushed the 240 grn to 1800 fps from his with great accuracy. LYMAN 1955: 200 JACKETED AT 2100 FPS
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 8, 2020 14:47:08 GMT -5
Same info in my old Phil Sharpe Manual. I personally think a 240 grn at 17-1800 fps will be better suited. With the steel buttplate, my shoulder may well disagree.
Most of my Revolver Loads are from JT's Articles.
Phil Sharpe was apparently blessed with plenty of testosterone with some of the 44-40 loads he published.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 30, 2020 13:13:09 GMT -5
For those few interested, did a little informal shooting with this gun today.
Just propping my elbow on a post allowed me to easily keep five shots in two inches at 50 yards. It will be interesting to see what this gun will do with ammo it likes from a bench. Of course, that detracts from the intent of the gun.
I see a hunt in it's future. Maybe a Texas Bison...
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Post by nolongcolt on Sept 30, 2020 15:10:44 GMT -5
Think I would rather have a bit more authority to tackle a buffalo.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 30, 2020 15:27:00 GMT -5
The strong guns in 44-40 can easily match 44 Magnum Rifle Ballistics. A 260 grn at 1600 fps is quite easy.
If you look, that's not terribly far off 454 Casull Revolver Ballistics. Not quite, but gets close.
I'd have no reservations using handloads with the right bullets.
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Post by nolongcolt on Sept 30, 2020 17:41:49 GMT -5
Personally I wouldn't use any of those rounds on such huge critters. I know it has been done before, but there are sooooo many more suitable rounds for the big critters. I would prefer an '06 rifle as absolute minimum with heavy bullets.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 30, 2020 17:55:27 GMT -5
Personally I wouldn't use any of those rounds on such huge critters. I know it has been done before, but there are sooooo many more suitable rounds for the big critters. I would prefer an '06 rifle as absolute minimum with heavy bullets. To each their own. Study the history of Bison Hunting and you'll see it was done with lesser rounds. Doubt the 30-06 was used much. But again, we all get to choose.
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Post by nolongcolt on Sept 30, 2020 18:00:09 GMT -5
I have read much of its history, the usual suspects were black powder cartridges with big, slow lead bullets. They used what they had. They probably didn't use too many .44 mags either I'm guessing. We have much better options today than they did in the 1800's is all I am getting at.
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Post by Big Bore on Oct 1, 2020 5:55:47 GMT -5
Very nice and congrats on the new 'old school' lever. Levers are way cool and the vintage caliber just adds to the nostalgic factor. I've been a dedicated handgun hunter for 20 years now but recently had the hankering to pull out one of my levers and kill something with it. This thread may have pushed me over the edge. Enjoy yours and post pics when you can!
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Post by rufus on Oct 1, 2020 20:10:25 GMT -5
I bought one last weekend. It was the John Wayne commemorative, which I normally don’t care for but the fit and finish were awesome, the price was right so I took a chance on it. My first 44-40 Just got to shoot it today, mine has the ladder style rear sight, brass insert front sight and shoots around 3” high at 25 yards, 5” high at 50 yards and 7” high at 100 yards with standard loads. I don’t have dies for it yet. Did yours happen to shoot high ? I can work with it just curious.
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Post by Encore64 on Oct 1, 2020 20:16:16 GMT -5
Mine was dead on at 50 yards out of the box.
Was handloaded ammo with the correct bullets, etc.
If it's shooting high, a taller front sight will solve your issue pronto.
Sounds like you grabbed a keeper to me.
Mine has a .4285" bore groove, so I handload with .430" cast bullets. I use Lee Dies and simply replaced the expander with a .428" one from a 44 Magnum set of dies.
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Post by rufus on Oct 1, 2020 20:25:50 GMT -5
Did yours have the flip over ladder style rear sight ?
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Post by Encore64 on Oct 1, 2020 20:26:42 GMT -5
Did yours have the flip over ladder style rear sight ? No, just a standard Buckhorn Rear and Brass Bead Front.
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Post by rufus on Oct 1, 2020 20:36:20 GMT -5
That’s the difference then, thanks. BTW digging the 44-40 and I think I’ll have a lot of fun with this rifle. My first 92 as well. 210 bullet at around 12-1300 FPS will kill anything I want to shoot at in th woods (deer/hog)
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Post by Encore64 on Oct 2, 2020 4:31:11 GMT -5
The old 44-40 will do much more than that with handloads in the strong Winchester 92.
200 grn @ 2100 fps 240 grn @ 17-1800 fps
Beyond that twist rate will come into play. I suspect 260-270 grn will be my upper limit, but time will tell.
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